Veolia Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm certain we can find a solution for the raid timers, those spawn timers can be changed after all. Thank you for also clarifying how it impacts Jamoos. I can perfectly understand he is mad about potentially missing out. Also a GM could also spawn the mobs if it came to that. We'll make it work, trust me. We do care about the player base and won't just leave you guys hanging :) so the DEV's are going to tell the GM's of the game now when they sould spawn raid triggers? would like that can you ask if they spawn right now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veolia Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 will it Screw up the Spawn time for Raids ? or will you adjust Trigger times so people can Raid on the weekend ? I dont quite understand the Timer thing , but dosent it mean the Bosses wont be there for like 36-48 hours after a reset ? wich would mean NO weekend raids ? that is what it means atm yea unless they can supply us with some thing els its just a wait what the DEV's and GM's are going to say about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulyydian[IS] Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they always should. I just said we would work out a solution and listed a couple of examples. We'll work on fixing problems, not catering to whims. Your request to spawn them right at this moment is rather selfish don't you think. Look I'll send a PM to the other DEV's and start a discussion on this alright. For now just calm down because it WILL be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrick[IS] Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 We will discuss the unintended impact of the move on the raid schedule during the next DEV meeting and decide if it warrants action. Despite the negative responses from one individual I do not see much in the way of concern otherwise. El Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duvel Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Well i do not mind the patch on a saturday around noon anyway (then i can eat something) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klyde Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 The only concern for VGE of the patch change was, how will we address the rotation? Which Overt has addressed. :) And, the change will affect the spawn timers of the raids, the first spawn is around 42+ hours after a restart, so it will effectively kill weekend raids for guilds with US/Euro players. Due to the time differences most week night raids happen after our Euro folks have gone to bed. If the spawn timers could be made independant of the server restarts would solve the issue most likely. Most of us are happy that we have this game to play, and that you Devs work so hard on keeping it that way. Thanks guys/gals for all you do. :) edit to put words where they weren't lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciferish Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Well i do not mind the patch on a saturday around noon anyway (then i can eat something) See, this is a man with the right priorities... <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overtkill Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm betting the timers will get some love as Ulyydian stated. An independent timer would be a good way to handle it. The server could record the current timer on shutdown (for example), and either resume it, or compare the time difference upon restart, then subtract the difference. Shouldn't be too terribly difficult to figure something amicable out. :) Thanks! -Overt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veolia Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) We will discuss the unintended impact of the move on the raid schedule during the next DEV meeting and decide if it warrants action. Despite the negative responses from one individual I do not see much in the way of concern otherwise. El first tings first i need to say: Thx Elrick. Second thing i have to say: Yea i know but i wanted to make a good point of it. And maby i was a bit hard on this topic, but the players that have post some thing here are most of the time US players. And thats wy i went on the fight for some other EU players. I need to say this aswell i have been talking with the players of Builders that live in the EU and some agree with me and some dont. they tell me dont look up a fight with the DEV department. I hope you guys/girls of the DEV or GM department dont take this personal thats not what im trying to do. Edited August 21, 2013 by Jamoos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canman Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Well now. I guess device activated raids dont sound to bad now does it. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell [BT] Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Well now. I guess device activated raids dont sound to bad now does it. I liked the idea regardless of the patch day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overtkill Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Well now. I guess device activated raids dont sound to bad now does it. I've always liked this idea. "Turn the Servant of Edward Teach" into an "Old Boonie" type of thing. Ultimately, this would be the best way to go IMO. But until we see it, we plan accordingly. :) -Overt. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrick[IS] Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 I hope you guys/girls of the DEV or GM department dont take this personal thats not what im trying to do. Nothing wrong with passion for the game. It is what keeps us all here. El Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHasArrived Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 They were never meant to be device activated... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciferish Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 They were never meant to be device activated... Just because something wasn't originally meant to be setup a certain way doesn't mean it can't be changed... right? Sometimes things need to be changed to suit conditions... trying to keep things at status quo just for the sake of preservation or nostalgia leads to stagnation and decline.. Although I don't know what the devs will decide I don't think "It wasn't that way before" is not a very strong argument.. :) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veolia Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 ow it sure was until some mod change 1 topic in 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell [BT] Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Just because something wasn't originally meant to be setup a certain way doesn't mean it can't be changed... right? Sometimes things need to be changed to suit conditions... trying to keep things at status quo just for the sake of preservation or nostalgia leads to stagnation and decline.. Although I don't know what the devs will decide I don't think "It wasn't that way before" is not a very strong argument.. :) I have to agree there. Sometimes the things that were the old way, were part of the problem. Now what needs to be changed and how best to do it, is open for discussion/debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHasArrived Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Just because something wasn't originally meant to be setup a certain way doesn't mean it can't be changed... right? Sometimes things need to be changed to suit conditions... trying to keep things at status quo just for the sake of preservation or nostalgia leads to stagnation and decline.. Although I don't know what the devs will decide I don't think "It wasn't that way before" is not a very strong argument.. :) The Devs decided this when they implemented it... Then they said when device activation was pushed for, that it is the way they intended and were not gonna change it. Edited August 23, 2013 by Sleven. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efialtis Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Please don't beat a dead horse. Leave device activated raids out of this. The reasons have been explained tenfold. I'm sure there will be a way to preserve weekend US/EU guild raids, Devs will address that concern. Have faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanig[IS] Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Three points. 1. The play server takes about 20-30 minutes to cycle up in debug mode. Go have dinner or something. 2. Zack is the only one on the team currently with the skillset needed for the server restart. He needs it to be at this time, it isnt really negotiable. The alternative is we do not update anymore until someone could be on to do it. 3. Raid timers and activations are being reviewed in light of the changes, however keep in mind that we do not as a rule cater to the "rotation" or setting it up to be outwardly predictable. Those that are activated now will remain so. Those that are timed/randomized will be checked for length of timers and so forth. We have to balance the number of ubers coming into the game vs the difficulty of obtaining them, as per usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrick[IS] Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 As you will note from the patch notes today some raid timers now survive reboot. I hope that addresses the one agreed issue. El Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veolia Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 we wil see next week Saturday or when the server is going down before that. I really hope that it won't screw up the timers any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby[IS] Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 hi, been at the side for too long, so I am going to do this in 2 languages. Jamoos stop whining. Jamoos stop met zeiken. All devs have a life beside this, and while we trying to make the game better we do not need some whining dutch stir up shit. alle devs hebben een leven naast dit, wij proberen het spel beter te maken, maar we hebben geen behoefte aan zeikende Nederlanders. If server going down due to patch so be it, happens in every game in every time zone. Als de server plat gaat voor updates dan is dit zo, gebeurd in elke spel in elke tijd zone. If you do not like this fine another game that serves your needs. Als je dit niet leuk vind zoek dan een andere spel naar jou behoefte. It pisses me off as Arthurdent used my name making me getting involved figure that last sentence out yourself. Just some words from a grumpy dutchie :D oh btw God did not created the Dutch, that was I :P oh damn, this is not my time zone.. i should be in bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veolia Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 finally some one that is saying some hard words about it. that's wy I like the the dutch. and your not a grumpy dutchie your just a dutchie. that's the way we are. and yes I was whining about it and it worked. my point was made to the devs and they chance some thing in the last patch from Saturday what made me happy to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurdent [CDEV] Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 See? no sense of humor at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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