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Biggest differences i've seen for the warder is with the mobs.. current planet mobs never went near the temple so you could camp in certain spots as any class without being harassed.

 

There was also "temple guardians" that spawned around the temple too*, ~cl45 voltoi skin, 

 

Warder also used to be vulnerable to explosive and res to other types.

 

*can't quite remember on how/where they spawned but either had poor scan or spawned further out so you could camp.

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I call BS on that one. Once a guild got the spawn they always owned it, at least on my server. They never invited anyone other than their own guild as it was not that big of a boss spawn and if done right could be done solo by a PW and JD, JD flies off and once PW gets sheilds gone summon PW and rinse and repeat. A guy in my guild and his bro took it in that exact setup right before sunset. After I said it was up they took it upon themselves to do it and nearly got kicked for not letting the guild go for it and do a /random, which  is why I did not PM someone and announced it to guild chat. All but near the end you could go to ardus and see multiple campers at it's spawn, most of the time from different guilds and it was based on who knew when it would spawn. Many times I saw many sitting on the spawn just waiting, to get KSed by a guild with many JDs cloaked and taking all but 3 seconds to kill it.

 

That was and has been why I was an advocate of either activated or a random spawn timer since, if you know the exact millisecond something is going to spawn sure you can coordinate it. If it is  +/- a few hours it is far mosre difficult and if it is activated, well good luck there as it can be whenever the person who can do so can do it.

I see your BS and raise you.  

 

What about the FB raid? there was never a time that (that I am aware of) one guild ever did this alone on our server... there was always multi guild cooperation  I think your response was a bit confrontational, but seems your bad experiences have shaded your outlook and will most likely continue the non inter guild cooperation. 

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I see your BS and raise you.  

 

What about the FB raid? there was never a time that (that I am aware of) one guild ever did this alone on our server... there was always multi guild cooperation  I think your response was a bit confrontational, but seems your bad experiences have shaded your outlook and will most likely continue the non inter guild cooperation. 

Dude the FB was always activated and  the FB required far more players than the Warder (which was a joke compared to the FB), comparing apples and habeneros which may be the same family but are totally different. I never once saw a "hey the warder is up anyone want to help?" message in open chat in the entire time I remember playing. In fact I only remember the drops being sold for outrageous prices on market and that was extremely rare

 

 

Heck before the argo fix a solo TW could kill it, because I saw a TW soloing the gate and the mobs were just searching. He had maxed scan and range (I asked how he was doing it) and the explanation was he was "sniping them outside their scan range and the trick was staying outside their max scan"... It may seem ridiculous but maybe I was playing before you started, oh well whatever I am sick of these attacks when I apparently hit a nerve.

 

You guys can keep this game, I am extremely pleased with the FREE game I am playing now where the DEVs do not have a "vision" that ignores the player base (or totally ignore everyone just to keep one person happy), but actually listen and fix things that need to be. Truthfully the reason I stopped playing here is because it felt like I was again playing under EA's "deaf ears". Right now I am just waiting on some items to finish being made that I currently want to upgrade my current equipment with, sure 30 minutes to make something sucks but hey it will make my character far more powerful.... I now have 3 of the paid "battleframes" (you have assault, dreadnaught,  biotech, engineer and recon as the free ones and sub classes that are bought but specialize in attack, defense, damage, etc) but I have not spent a real life cent on the ones I have unlocked as I make things that sell for high prices and use that to buy them as the main currency can be converted to credits and credits can be converted to "paid credits" or the converted credits can be used to pay for "paid items" on market (which would be equal or less than on the "store")

 

 

I think this will be my final post here, at one point I wished I could win the lottery and buy out this game and force the changes I felt would make it greater than live. Yet now I would not spend a single penny on this game as today I have more fun playing Freelancer than here or even Independence War 2 - Edge of Chaos.

 

I absolutely loved the expansions and new sectors but DEV's that do not take into account even a majority of their own and players to keep one single DEV happy that their "baby" is not "defiled" is a joke... Feel free to delete this, lock the thread, or ban me.... I have no plans on even looking back here now, if I get bored I will just go watch some anime or read some manga.... Farewell for ever and glad I never wasted money here

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Dude.... really? I know you think you have the best ideas ever but... you hit the nail on the head with your "... that ignores the player base (or totally ignore everyone just to keep one person happy),"  You want that one person happy to be YOU!  I get that but chill.  

 

Sorry to see you leave.  A suggestion: Don't burn your bridges, sometimes it is better to just ffffffade away.

 

Just saying 

Mim

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Dude.... really? I know you think you have the best ideas ever but... you hit the nail on the head with your "... that ignores the player base (or totally ignore everyone just to keep one person happy),"  You want that one person happy to be YOU!  I get that but chill.  

 

Sorry to see you leave.  A suggestion: Don't burn your bridges, sometimes it is better to just ffffffade away.

 

Just saying 

Mim

I never said I had the best ideas ever, and never would take a majority rule against me as a personal attack. If the majority rule was for minor changes to something I made  I would always actually look at it rather than totally ignore it and act like a baby. I loved live up to the point sunset was announced, I had a hand in design from my knowledge of live to make this emu, one thing is the mining system. I wanted to make it as close to live as possible and me and Tien often talked via PMs and guess what it still felt like live when I quit playing.  I wanted live + not a totally different game. I actually had no interest in even playing my main again ( a PW) after the nerfs were made to the PW as they WERE THE FRIKING TANKS OF LIVE, yet you all felt it necessary to change that. So I played a PE, which I liked

 

Don't know what happened to you but we used to be cool and we agreed more often than not, guess being a dick rubs off on one when you hang with others who are.

 

I know I said last comment was my last but I am drunk and felt curious and checked up here on your reply + seeing yours pissed me off enough to reply, and I am not mad just answering in all honesty as I am sick of putting up with BS no matter if it is even from my so called best friend in real life

 

B's quests that are level limited are total ignorance as NO mmo I have ever played has ever been level limited on quests, sure you may be at a point that you may not get anything you can use or even a reward but you can still do them. I have never been excluded from a quest for level in a game other than being too low. If you have guess you have played some funky game that I have never played.

 

The only other game I have sworn never to play again besides this emu is DDO, simply because when they adopted the f2p model they made my main a pay character. Even though if it had not been for us that actually paid $50 + monthly subs for the game they made it so you could log in once but no notification that it was only once so any money or items I could transfer were lost unless I paid again for the character that I had paid 10x over originally to use...

 

If you feel I am attacking you, I actually am only replying. Sure it sucks we have become disconnected but my spitefulness is not aimed at you but the general attitude since the DEV split of those remaining who have their own vision, regardless of player or even fellow DEV views..

 

I have to admit there were a vast number of improvements from live when I last played, but there were also things that need not to have been touched that were totally altered. If the true spirit of live had been kept, well I would still be playing and even paying. Yet I did not like the alternate dimension that existed when I quit along with all my live's former guild

 

Their exact words were, runaway DEVs, jerks and a**holes so screw them I am not even wasting my time downloading the patches". So i may seem rude to your view, but then again you lost out on 30ish players who if you had kept the spirit of live alive, would have been playing today and even willing to pay to keep the servers up. So if you dislike that, well look in a mirror dude

 

I thought I would get live plus when the emu started but it was more alternate reality with all the changes... I do have alot of compliments to the dev team, but there are a few grievances that totally ruined the game for me and not just the warder but a lot more things that have been "tweaked" per "vision"..

 

It is good to have a vision, but when you recreate a game from scratch the thing to keep in mind is only to make improvements and not ruin it for those who played the original by making a totally different game

 

Truthfully if I were in charge and a major change were proposed, guess what would be my first action???

 

IT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY POLL, not just change it and pray it is accepted.  Sure it would take longer but the thing that is keeping this emu alive even at this moment is the community, if you disagree well guess you are truly delusional

 

If the community told me to leave the warder as in live, well it would be so. If they agreed that it needs to be activated or a randomized timer it would be that way. Truthfully I would accept my fellow players and devs opinion along with the GMs. But what does agreeing with the majority have to do with vision, unless you want to keep the spirit of a live game alive.

 

 

 

If you want another example of my input, it is cloak looting.. I know for absolute fact you could be cloaked with a jen and loot as I often flew into a dangerous area and looted something while cloaked. I earned alot of trade xp that way by flying into cooper where someone high enough to kill tengu would add me to group just so I could loot the kills they had no interest in other than xp. Or running a low sig engine on my PW looting kills in Neilf with a Roc equipped . But oh well listen to your vision and ignore all comments as long as the devs are happy guess they can play a private server if they can not get enough to keep the servers running if people eventually get sick of it

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*snip* If you want another example of my input, it is cloak looting.. I know for absolute fact you could be cloaked with a jen and loot as I often flew into a dangerous area and looted something while cloaked.  *snip*

 

 

I know I totally cut your entire response off, but this was the only thing to grab my attention enough to generate a response. What makes you think you can't cloak loot now? The only thing you can't do cloaked is mine.

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Always suggested Warder should of been a triggered raid ie OCD/GR/FB/AV/Zeke Raid etc.  Don't make the triggers super easy to come by and have some difficulty to them.  Like FB/GR is now, only allow a 24/36/48 trigger action per toon (yes this can be circumvented by using an alt but you get the point)  And require the toons to have completed the mission for the trigger as well.  My favorite example of this was the Zeke Raid in Witberg, that trigger was great!

 

Keep all the named timed spawn minibosses ie Cooper Fish, Antares Voltoi, VC Zenshai etc etc on their timers, while they all offer great loot options, they are not raid content, this was to include the mini bosses in DT, Ardus, Vrix Roc etc.

 

OR...

 

Find a way to really have the spawn be dynamically random in that it could spawn in 30mins or 4hrs or something totally random in between (I am sure this requires some more serious coding so not sure its feasible), as apposed to the current 2-3hrs+/-xminutes (made up times I know but you get the idea).  That would allow the campers to still camp of course but also add a much more random occurrence than the simple +/-15-30min window it is now make the window much larger.  I would think this requires more effort on the DEV side of the house and not entirely certain its doable.

 

OR...

Increase the Warder difficulty to require more than a single toon/group to take it out.  Add see cloaked and see thru powerdown lol.

 

My vote would be option 1 or 2 but thats just me, I don't have time to sit in game all day watching this spawn, others who can great (you spent the time watching it).  I'm just looking for a solution to allow more of the playerbase a chance to experience the content (even if the Warder really is only 2secs in its current state)...

 

In the end don't really care, I'm not hard up over Warder's drops, everything in the game in Live and EMU can be done perfectly fine without them...

 

Anyways just my 2cents

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Redd,

 

Based on my experience the current window for the Warder (unless changed recently by the devs) spans 29 hours.

 

Happy camping :D

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Redd,

 

Based on my experience the current window for the Warder (unless changed recently by the devs) spans 29 hours.

 

Happy camping :D

Thx Spartan for the info wasn't sure what the current cycle for him these days was.  Still say the DEVs should revisit the Warder, even if its just turning it into a better event (waves of mobs etc) something to spice it up ya know, 2 secs livespan, man even roller coasters at least last a minute or two for the hours wait lol.  Like I suggested just some other ideas to improve it be nice, if not no skin off my back.

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I know I totally cut your entire response off, but this was the only thing to grab my attention enough to generate a response. What makes you think you can't cloak loot now? The only thing you can't do cloaked is mine.

Ok I am drunk again and just curious as to "Mr. Whiney" had responded but he has not

 

 

Actually I was on the side of cloaked looting as it was done a lot in live myself by my JE and JD, maybe you did not understand what I was saying or you mistook it. Yes it was done in live and last time I played the Emu it also was, but I had some input into that system also. If you were to ask me how much I looted using the classes available that I played in live, I could not tell you how many items I had looted (but never "ninjaed" them like others as I had some respect for others unlike those who exploited it). Actually at one point when you would loot it would decloak you in the EMU, so that was not live and may have been a glitch but according to some of the higher ups it was intentional as they thought if you can not mine while cloaked you should not be able to loot either, but that was overruled. TO a live player that was nothing short of "We are to lazy to fix it so deal with it", yet the community banded together and that was changed.

 

When I started this project you could not even log in and impulse around (which was a huge accomplishment at the time to be able to), my goal in being a part of the design was to make it as close to live as possible with improvements. When I started actually was when the encryption was trying to be cracked and even allowed my PC to be online as much as possible to contribute to cracking it, if you want to know how old I am in this project.

 

I liked alot of stuff about this project but the attitude totally changed once the "DEV split" happened, and people I had been on friendly terms with turned into self righteous dicks. I may seem to be one of them to some but I actually did care for this long term project and wanted to regain the game I loved with some improvements and expansion, yet as of last I played it had became equal to EA's "I am king so piss off if you do not like it" self righteous attitude... Even before EnB I disliked EA as they had a "support period" where they would listen then after it was "just buy our new game" mentality. Even with the last patch for The sims 3 they had not fixed a few major game breaking bugs and then offer The sims 4, so 99% of your playerbase say there is a bug but you ignore them and want them to pay you for a new game, umm unless you are ignorant you should refuse as they are setting their own example of a game breaking bug refused to e fixed without a 3rd party fix,  is how this smug attitude some of the higher up DEVs seem to have anymore. They seem to forget they may be emu "reconstruction'ers" but they did not make the game itself. 

 

I wanted more content which has been provided, but if you are a recent new "comer" that never played live, you may well love it as is. Yet as an live player I lost all interest. I may visit the forums but the emu and all files associated with it are permanently deleted  with no intention of ever being even downloaded again

 

Maybe my taste's for games has changed since live, just like my IRL tastes have as I now love foods I used to hate. Even I used to despise cooking for others, but now I actually want to open my own restaurant. So I admit maybe I could be viewing this wrong and maybe making the game like live with improvements has flaws, but if someone were to be willing to discuss the views with me and not simply "write me off as a dick", just maybe we could come to a middle point and make it even better. Yet that time has passed, I like what i am now playing now so I really have utterly lost all interest in the game, but do keep some interest in the replies to my posts just out of morbid curiosity.

 

I never wanted to be a Dev as I liked playing not creating, but  I never had any desire to "update to modern comparisons" to do so was "sacrilege" to me and it being done earlier on I know for sure if I had been involved at the time as a Dev, I would have been one of those who left of their own accord or kicked like others during the "split" as a few were handed too much power and weighed modern games more highly than the original version. If EA had not canceled live and continued to this day I may well still have been a paying customer. I wanted to improve upon the base, not to alter it to a hybrid between past and a modern games...

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Always suggested Warder should of been a triggered raid ie OCD/GR/FB/AV/Zeke Raid etc.  Don't make the triggers super easy to come by and have some difficulty to them.  Like FB/GR is now, only allow a 24/36/48 trigger action per toon (yes this can be circumvented by using an alt but you get the point)  And require the toons to have completed the mission for the trigger as well.  My favorite example of this was the Zeke Raid in Witberg, that trigger was great!

 

Keep all the named timed spawn minibosses ie Cooper Fish, Antares Voltoi, VC Zenshai etc etc on their timers, while they all offer great loot options, they are not raid content, this was to include the mini bosses in DT, Ardus, Vrix Roc etc.

 

OR...

 

Find a way to really have the spawn be dynamically random in that it could spawn in 30mins or 4hrs or something totally random in between (I am sure this requires some more serious coding so not sure its feasible), as apposed to the current 2-3hrs+/-xminutes (made up times I know but you get the idea).  That would allow the campers to still camp of course but also add a much more random occurrence than the simple +/-15-30min window it is now make the window much larger.  I would think this requires more effort on the DEV side of the house and not entirely certain its doable.

 

OR...

Increase the Warder difficulty to require more than a single toon/group to take it out.  Add see cloaked and see thru powerdown lol.

 

My vote would be option 1 or 2 but thats just me, I don't have time to sit in game all day watching this spawn, others who can great (you spent the time watching it).  I'm just looking for a solution to allow more of the playerbase a chance to experience the content (even if the Warder really is only 2secs in its current state)...

 

In the end don't really care, I'm not hard up over Warder's drops, everything in the game in Live and EMU can be done perfectly fine without them...

 

Anyways just my 2cents

Precisely my point and better spoken than myself. I despised the exact timer of the Warder as who killed it first knew when it would respawn next, I wanted it to be like like the FB/Tempest so that people outside of the guild that controlled it because of exact respawn times could have a chance to obtain the drops without paying a fortune to the extortionist guilds who owned the spawn because they knew precisely when it would respawn next. If some commenting here saying I am a jerk because I wanted equal opportunity for all, feel the need to oppose it.. Well judge them yourself and if you agree with me, speak up and tel them know they are not superior simply because they know the system

 

Oh and yes the coding is entirely possible, I have a little experience in it as I attempted to learn it. It simply was to much of a headache though and I turned down being a Dev position here early on because I could code in VB but not C. In fact the coding is already in place with the FB and other "activated" content, just someone does not want it changed is all it boils down to

 

And that "wraps up" my entire issues with this emu

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Guess Mimir must not feel like confronting me on his accusations, vs my saying I never saw a non guild post that the warder was up and asking for help with it.

 

In fact after sunset was announced and the majority of players had left, I posted to my guild that it was up and I am sure many who played live may well remember the name Sealclubber from my guild as he ran many auctions and was widely known.  But i said hey "the warder is up" and him with his PW and his bother a JD (do not remember his name) took it on them self to dual it and when Seal's shields got low his bro would summon him and they managed to kill it before the guild could gather for a fair roll on the drops, but since i found it I was eventually given the turbo device that dropped as I was the one who alerted the guild to it being up and wanted everyone who needed it to have a fair chance at the drop.

 

I was not mad because a guild mate killed it, i was mad because I knew I was not the only one who wanted it and was shut out by anothe'rs greed.

 

If he had been a true guild mate he would have allowed a free roll for the participants and may have well ended up with it, but he got selfish and ignored everyone else to supposedly better his bro and was threatened with being kicked and the entire server (of those left) of knowing what he had done..

 

Yes I found it and wanted it as it was not in my inventory, but I wanted everyone to have an equal chance at it even if I lost it

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Guess Mimir must not feel like confronting me on his accusations, vs my saying I never saw a non guild post that the warder was up and asking for help with it.

 

In fact after sunset was announced and the majority of players had left, I posted to my guild that it was up and I am sure many who played live may well remember the name Sealclubber from my guild as he ran many auctions and was widely known.  But i said hey "the warder is up" and him with his PW and his bother a JD (do not remember his name) took it on them self to dual it and when Seal's shields got low his bro would summon him and they managed to kill it before the guild could gather for a fair roll on the drops, but since i found it I was eventually given the turbo device that dropped as I was the one who alerted the guild to it being up and wanted everyone who needed it to have a fair chance at the drop.

 

I was not mad because a guild mate killed it, i was mad because I knew I was not the only one who wanted it and was shut out by anothe'rs greed.

 

If he had been a true guild mate he would have allowed a free roll for the participants and may have well ended up with it, but he got selfish and ignored everyone else to supposedly better his bro and was threatened with being kicked and the entire server (of those left) of knowing what he had done..

 

Yes I found it and wanted it as it was not in my inventory, but I wanted everyone to have an equal chance at it even if I lost it

HUH?

 

Sorry I don't get it???

 

I don't do raids so unless it is something to do with getting general population to do these together I really am not interested.  But thank you for thinking about me.

 

 

Just saying,

Mim

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Please leave the warder alone. And if you really must change it. Just make it harder to kill. Don't make it easy like everything else is. The whole appeal of the warder is that you have to work seriously hard and camp seriously long to discover the window. Then once you've done that, you have to sit through the hours of mind games and mob pushing that the other players there throw your way. And even after that you still might not get the drop you are hoping for.
If you want the goods from the warder, then you have to work for it. The fact that a "certain group" or "certain persons" always get's the kill is purely down to the fact that they are uncontested. If you want it, then show up and fight for it. If you spent half as much time whining about it as you did being pro-active about it then chances are you'd got your loot and lost interest by now.

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You know, im kinda mixed on this, i hear both sides and yet agree with both sides. but.... when i was a part of the staff (I dont see my inactive or former credentials who cares) our goal and thoughts were to bring enb to her former glory and once that was done maybe continueing the story beyond what we (me you all of us) seen in live... meaning we had no intent of changing her orriginality but adding to her later on. i feel it should be what it was in live, always did. now mind you the current DEVs for the most part (about 95%) i dont know them they were not a part of the team then. so i dont know what they wish to birth to her (enb), however i take my hat off to you guys, hell of a great job you have done us all proud id say. before i left we did speak of making a slight modification and this would effect the economy in enb, credit sincs etc etc and ive seen some of these very sincs im betting no else has lol.thats about the only non live extent of modification we plotted. but lets be realistic, would i myself like to see the warder on a trigger or the like? unofficially? no. it wasnt that way in live. officially? for the majority of the people? sure why not.. for those who "camp" it think of it this way brothers and sisters, aint got nothin to lose. i suppose it wouldnt be so bad in truth my only peeve is it wouldnt be the same.

 

Your friend and fellow pilot

Kurigan

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