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Well what is your point then? you ask for comments...you get them... some negative (read most by your 75% comment) and now you get all boo boo kitty and throw in the towel? I thought I was being supportive, (Personally I don't want PvP but understand that what I want really does not make much difference.  If there has to be PvP in game (you have quite a few devs that seem to agree with you) then it NEEDS to not mess with the core game. It could take the best of existing PvP out there and leave the worst behind.  But if you want a PvP that is truly never before done and all the experiences will be good and anyone who looses a battle will embrace it with joy and happiness....Well me thinks you are kidding yourself.  It sucks to loose, it sucks more to loose and have some DH crow about it for hours on end.     Be careful what you ask for as you just might get it....   just saying.

I had a thought this morning... Even though it was said to NOT bring any ideas from previously played PvP oriented games...This idea might help all.    What if: We go ahead and finish the work on the arenas they were in the original game.  .  These could edited to be as large (or small) instanced content as the devs wanted to make them.  Make them dynamic, two players enter it starts out small, as more players enter the instanced area (arena) grows to make it more interesting.     Arenas could be used to see how many players really do want PvP and to test ideas for additional content, and make the majority of players happy. Additionally it could be used as a testing area to see what ideas work and what don't.   Just saying   ------Edit Yet another thought ---------------   There was some question if people could cheat the system on a vote and stuff the poll questionnaire on PvP Yes or No.  How about we open an Arena (nothing in it other than used as a counter) If players enter it would count as a yes vote. Again there would have to be some IP check but that can and is being done with the banning of nasty players.  The "Test Arena" could be open for a month or so to allow those that don't check the forums to cast their vote.     Enter the arena yes I want PvP...Do nothing counts as a Meh...no interest.  

Try Chrome. 

Ummm couple of points...  In blue see above... ----------------------------- Edit below ------------------------- Also with the character changes/additions proposed in another thread I am a bit confused how that will be done? Do we come in one day with our skill set reset to 0? And additional skills added to our characters?  Do we return to our starting areas to do missions to enable them? What if one of the skills we were very fond of suddenly get's hit with the nurf bat (to make me more or less capable)?   I don't want a wipe but if I come in and find that the classes I have spent so much time and effort on were suddenly changes to allow a minority of players the ability to blast each other...well I won't be very happy...   Just saying 

I posted (then deleted this in the Advocate forum... but here goes as it is a response to the discussion going on there :)   First I think it may be more than just letting one player pew pew pew another. There has to be some balance or it will turn into a gank fest.  Are lower levels to be left out from the mayhem? If so at what level are lower levels open season to be cannon fodder?  Is the PW to be ruled by the JD? Will there be some way to see the cloaked ships? if not this could be the king player in a PvP situation...  they sneak up behind a player blast the poo out of them, re-cloak and run away.  Sorry guys that just does not float my boat.     How about a device that will make all things equal for any player?  The PvP players could hone their fighting skill not just rely on their superior weapons or skills.  This would be a down and dirty fix but again not much fun for those that just want to blast the crap out of someone.    What could work is PvP by race/class/level. A warrior class could blast away at another flagged warrior class but not at a flagged miner class. A level 150 could PvP a level 140 but not a level 120 or lower.   OR   It could be open PvP and we could watch players leave the game in droves because they can't play without getting blasted out of the game every time they gate or log in.   On the subject of why PvP if there is no risk or gain... If we have PvP we need to make the gains equal to the risks.  In POTBS you lost a PvP battle you lost your ship and all contents. In a port battle you knew not to carry anything except ammo.  But that would be different here ...several reasons come to mind...lag being the primary one, so most would be player v player not groups v groups.   So if you want to PvP you don't lose you lose your ship, but you do loose all contents, weapons and devices you had been using.  Spoils of war.    If this is the way the devs go with PvP I am sure that most will not want to risk using their best weapons/devices ammo if they could loose it in a skirmish. So PvP only ships will be created (another equalizer).      I have more... but whatever is done won't be easy.  To do it correctly the dreaded (what rhymes with pipe?) should be done prior to instituting PvP in this PvE game.   OR   We could just go with the Arenas and be done with it.       ready for my negative dings ............... 

  . In my "IN YOUR FACE" style.  This IS what I have been saying forever.       How about we finish the Agrippa back door (for one thing)?- This was never even thought of in EA live.  This should be the poster child for adding content without thinking it through to it's end.        Just saying

Plus one and more... 

I'm currently sitting at the kitchen table, drinking coffee and trying to not wake up the dogs (it's cold out and not looking forward to the morning ...It's too cold to go out...can't we just do it on the floor? fight.) Also using wireless and not anxious to get into game without a wired connection.     Here is my idea of the day....   Instead of posting ideas for class changes and announcing when those changes may or may not? be implemented in game in an OPEN forum channel..   Idea: Have the content devs hand pick a few players that have expressed interest and or made good suggestions, bring them into the super secret double probationary fold to discuss these changes.  This way the ideas can be tossed around, active discussion about why this or that is a particularly bad or good idea, without letting the cat out of the bag.       Rational: No additional players stomp off and leave the game before things are actually implemented. No deadlines come and go with disappointment from the masses.     I would hate to see this rushed into game, (see Agrippa and the pains associated with that).     P.S. Still waiting for the "back door" into Agrippa for my PS.   

Hey Kyp,   This was a very well written and informative post but.... It seems that there is a little discrepancy between your post and one from one of the content devs... Was the cat let out of the bag too soon? Are we going to see some form of PvP in Feb.?   Or what I think most likely happened is that someone left the reservation, to announce futures. It might be a good idea to clarify that the specifications for the classes is what will be released in Feb. and NOT a full on redesign of the races. (as stated in your post) " it would change the classes fundamentally. I've studied what we have today versus roughly what the 9 classes should have been. Let's just say some skills that are relied upon would move around. "   Either way, the PvP group will be a rejoicing, the non PvP group will be a whining, and some may wait for a Feb. release date only to be disappointed that release dates were not met and hold their whining for then.     As always imho it is best to keep your cards close to the vest on futures in re. releases and dates of those.  To release these changes will be a logistic nightmare WITHOUT doing yet another (that which cannot be spoken) to adjust the classes for PvP. Something to consider...Yes?     I know I have been very vocal about not wanting see PvP for this game, but if it has to be let's make darn sure it is what most want and we (read you) get it right the first time.      Just saying...  Content Developer Post below... ___________________________________________________________________ Ulyydian   Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:59 PM I can honestly in the next coming months there are going to be some major changes and content updates. Especially with the race / classes.   With the implementation of class specialization that will give people alot more to experiment with. There will be no more single standard enforcers, warriors, explorers, etc.. I know part of the problem is that there was generally only "one way" to play and one build to play with.   I know I am excited that I'll be able to play the terran warrior 3 different ways, each with their own strategy. This will make a big difference in PVP as well.   It may be too soon for the Jan update but I am hoping for Feb release of all the warrior specs. See here for more info:   https://forum.enb-emu...pons-equipment/   ___________________________________________________________________        

In "EA live" I don't remember any of the mess raids seem to be causing here in "Sunrise Live".  It could be I was a Johnny come lately and was guilded from the start but... When Armada sponsored a FB, it was announced on the public channel.  Everyone who participated could and did bid on the loot.  I don't even remember reserved items... although there must have been.   My point is... WTF is the big deal with raids? Wouldn't it be ever so much easier if someone wants to start a raid, has the necessary triggers etc should be able to do the raid and invite whomever wants to participate?     This would be way easier to do than the rotation schedule. Can't we all just get along?     Just saying...   P.S.  Is this a troll post? Pretty sure it's not but times they be a changing... Ready for my -dings. 

I found this this morning and spit out my coffee.  Thought you might enjoy.   

Example: I claim to be FROM Detroit but now living in St. Louis...Gank?   And how does a player get access to IP data of another player? 

Darn Mouli ...   How long have I known you? I knew you were from north of the border but ...I never knew you were soooo articulate. +1 for the post and would pop another in as you are now my translator.  I will feed you what I want to post and you can make it look like I has a heart... no wait that's courage... NO a brain!!! That's it a brain.     Seriously great post.

I'm not sure what exactly this is all about? You and your guild mates targeted someone that was a "suspected" OUTSIDER and ganked/robbed them of their stuff under a flag of friendship?   Huh???

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I think the point IS that the powers that be, have kept a hands off on this whole mess.  Good way to go IMHO! 

Let's see your proof... or Is it just hearsay?  My bestest buddy who no longer plays... told his other brother by a different mother, that this player is mad that his uncle who also does not play was offended by ...  blah blah blah... Take it to the PM's and or email, and from your OWN post you don't even have first hand knowledge of what went down.       Either way calling out one person is pretty sucky don't you think?  

My last post in this forum...sorry I was warned that it was for guild leads and officers only.     BUT The Magoo bashing has to stop!!!    I don't care what MT he or anyone oops into this channel or other, be an adult as you say we all are and take it to a private channel.  Forum moderator? How about a bit of moderation on these personal attacks?    

How does that old saying go... Oh yes  "Out of the mouth of babes and non guilded players..."  Adding groups to this agreement seems to be soooooo fricking easy it makes me laugh that it is taking such a long time.     I am in BI  I have seen several MOTD that such and such group and or guild(s) are going for this raid or that   Long story short there has been many opportunities for changes to the rotation right there.  And I know for a fact that most if not all the members are not standing in the way of any group or guild.     The personal  attacks on Magoo from being a DEV to his art work and WTF??? his eating habits??? is just wrong... where did that come from anyway? Can you do better in any unicorn?  One thing your post does prove is you have the fibre part down pat.   

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Sure no problem...Don't beat me massa ...I be promise to be good... "Magoo stated earlier lets let the guild leader resolve this" I didn't take that as the gospel but my bad...   Back to lurking......

Lurker comment:   So you have a guild that is able and willing to gain access to the rotation.  The only thing I can see is that there needs to be some discussion of what one of the big 3 will give up their spot (initially) to get you in.  After that it sure do look like a no brainer.     Be forewarned... Soon you will be labeled along the Big 3 as being evil and inflexible, and hogging all the good stuff..    Just saying

Many do both...        Just saying