Moulinneuf

- Agree to disagree, DEV can ask me to edit out any stuff they deem innapropriate or don't want me to share att this time or that they disagee with - That's why they where removed. - I am always neutral in my positiion - Agree to disagree. You offer personnal opinion , rarely counter view point - Used to is the operative word. - I don't call 6 toons with all the highest gear by some of the most brillant raider a normal case and I would dispute your only 6 toon in all cases. - You are not suppose to multi-box / multi-toon the raid trigger and keep it to your guild only if you don't have the player to do it - You might want to work on recruiting new player to your guild who want and are able to participate in raids. - You are talking about a buildable / activation trigger for existing raid it's something different to the PRS system. ( asked and denied last i asked the DEV) - Server population is not math - Not all 6 guild are on the same time zone - You can try and make math say what you as a player want to have/achieve , it's another thing completly when humans are the math in question. -Not all player are level and raid ready - Not all player even if level and raid ready want to do them. - If it was simple the raid rotation would not exist , people would be nice to each others - if it was easy to make change people would do them easily , it's one of the most diffcult thing for human to do - If communication was not so broken down , we would have everyone show up and discuss solution and new change - finally if you had respected the rules , recruited new players to your guild then your 2 accomplice being on a break would not make you want to do all the raid as public.

- Dev asked me to edit it out ( RedKite ) - I agreed , so i did. - I stand by my work and word of values , not by the insults. - Player Advocate position is one of respectability , only for that i will remove things perceived as too harsh or insulting by those who i respect as to continue the good work and respect for the position and those who did hold it before me and those who will after me..

I certainly won't ,, The current and accurate detail I have, was given to all of you. Simply put I work for the entire player base. Because FFA worked so well in the past ... Where is your data ? From what experience ?

Information and missing details : There is 100 recorded player that show up on a daily basis divide by 3 = 33 Players Goes higher on weekend. The big 5 ( possibly big 6 ) ( because the big 3 is no longer accurate and this as been the case for a long time and many months ) make up 50% of those 33 when they show up in group based on their time period . I was told by some marked player that are in one big guild that they no longer do any of their raid. ( it was proven false and it's not BI ) There is 2 Big guild doing Public raid , one said they don't want a spot , the other requested a spot. Due to ongoing discussion and new thing coming out, the discussion did not happen They still do the Raid trigger for Public in an Open to all. Player advcoate take : 1 big guid is fine 2 holding the public spot is not , even more so when the second one seem to be having the most guild player online and playing these days. BI seem to be on a vacation / player mia / player quitting for the bigger guild / and mad player who can't join the raid . / player who lead the raid is no longer interested and no one taking their spot type of phase a ) They still do their raid by inviting public , wich as failled to work this past month on some occasion b ) They have an undesrtanding with public that if BI don't the public can take it after a while wich they do. Public as currently no single 1 representative or many 2+ representative. Yu can't be in a guild and be a public representative. I don't know where this lies and fantasy that the big 3 are elite came from , most of the player and guild leader tend to be nice and are open to new rectruit , the big 5-6 now are still the same. Il also don't know where you get that multiboxer can take on the raid trigger on themself most raid trigger require 2 group of people du to the intensity of the raid Also the dev watch that no bozo multiboxer does that The buildable raid trigers are not at the same level and not the same thing. PRS is somewhat oeprationnal with a DEV / GM , that is if one decide to show up and do it and nothing go bad. No idea on how far along and where it is on the PRS activated by player system , probably being worked on and in the far future Will ask on next week-end for an update finnaly you guy are Idiot if you compare a funded fully owned copyrigthed game by a developper company to this EMU who is 15-16 year od code. who the dev // GM have no access to the player side soure code who is mostly worked on by free contributor and as zero budget or full time worker on it. The raid rotation stand not because of the player advocate but because their are no replacement solution or real , mature , conserted and approved by all solution to replace it. Free For All and trigger war is never a solution and never will be, Communication is not achieved and it's not by my lack of trying. I tought the PRS system would solve the majority of the problem , obviously it does not. I offered to run it , was denied , as I am not a dev and seing last PRS report I can understand why.

I already answered that , quite clearly. Funny, that : 1 single player and really, you are , nothing more is trying to re / define what behing a Player Advocate his when you see only 10% of what they / I do. There are those who are defined by a position and other who redefine the position I guess I am the latter. To be blunt and precise , so that you get the magnitude here , more then 30 other playe and many guild leadersr have asked me to look into the Raid Trigger problem and fix it. The Dev said it's a player problem , deal with it or leave it alone we don't care ( wich is not really true ) Previous Advocate have told me this proably would be the biggest ssue as it was there's too. You know who get to decide what the Player Advocate try and get fixed ? Only one person : The player advocate. You know who define the Player advocate role : The player Advocate , Until a Dev or or GM or all of them kick him where it hurts and the player advocate give up. Sorry if that don't meet your and other player approval and false idea of what the role of the player advocate is. You want to dscuss my role on this , pop up on teamspeak in the advocate channel with your guild leader and tell him you think the raid trigger situation is fine the way it currently is.. Just give me a heads up to let me make a jumbo bowl of popcorn first.

No , I told you what it was now , in this case. DEV / GM have full control , they don't neeed a buffer with the player or the game. They actually interract directly with them in a majortiy of cases. I have not deleted any post in the past ( don't have delete access or control outside the advoctae forum ) , i have hidden unrelated comment under Polls only ,

BL as been Vacationing /out of commission / MIA for a while now ( Since I took on the Player Advocate post i Have not seen him once ) Woody as run a few lately ,work , personnal time , health ( Superhuman dev also get sick ) permiting He said wednesdays or thursday for next one depends on work is last I heard Might be other dev but it's their choice. It's still in development / working out how it work / worked on Update Redkite can do PRS / EVENT as well and decided to show up in game with offer to start one just now.

Player ( singular ) Advocate as these position and task actually : 1) Neutral and moderator in Guild rotation discussion. 2) Arbiter of who's in the guild rotation based on usage and membership and guild wishes ( epic for example don't want a spot ) , not player feeling/opinions 3) Developper , updater, informer, requester and suggester. . 4) Informing all the player by public directed update 5) Help drafting the server wide rule as to be clear and understood and agreed by all ------------------------------------- Guild Rotation still exist, for now. As no final replacement as been agreed to , server wide , so far. Wasted Trigger rule seem to have been applying for a month now. No final agreement on that yet some still have to get back to me on it It state you have to ask the guild who's guild rotation trigger it is in chat General / new player / market who's guild is it's turn if the triger as been up for 12 hour and see that no one , from said guild is camping it Don't give m the we might decide to do it eventually excuse and no one is there online to reply to chat message. Trigger are a privilege not a right. You also have to make it open to ALL by general invite with wasted trigger . Others need an attiitude check up with higher autority then me, mindles,threat on teamspeak, dont work on me at all. Mistake in communication on my part is easy to solve , your guild not doing triggers , not answering communication and even your own player telling me you dont do them du to internal problem and lack of interest is not cutting it. *** You don't say anything = your in agreement. *** ----------------- My position as a player is I dont give a hoot !! I am in Builder Inc we have had a rotation spot Most raid I am not there when they do it or unavailable to attend and even when there I am usually working on leveling lower player or my lower toons , when I dont fall asleep when one happen. Guild rotation was / is intended to stage off FFA chaos and an all out triger war. ---------------- If we need a Big guild / Public representatvieSSS on temspeak/forum meeting to iron out final details we shall

Spoke with Uniicorn, leader from Static on Teamspeak Say is guild is alive and that they have been doing there triggers , so he was told ( troller this week, 3 time ) He did not get message passed to his guildmate ....

Prrekoorb , Sorry for the mixup on leadership in your guild. have Iceminer or your communication leaders contact me when they are done with internal discussion.

Guild leaders Update i now have on file : Iceminer = VGE TsunamiTT = Damage INC BI = Raiderman Static = Uniicorn / Alurra Epic = skully Public = ?? (I can have more then one public reprsentative and add small guild leadership if they feel their voice is not heard ) If it's innacurate and need updating , say so or contatc me if you want to tell me if a guild leader MIA and is second replacing him as communication leader

Actually, you said yes to wasted trigers . ( wich as been going on for a month BTW ) Then when I asked for change to the raid rotation ( another matter ) , You said no change possible until you had to talk and discuss with your guild You have not get back to me on it BTW. The two are two different things btw. Do you mean that you changed VGE position on wasted trigers ? and are still discussing raid rotation asked change with your guild ? ------- Guild who do there raid trigger usually are online that day , they have someone watching for the trigger and they also have player around When a triger as been sitting for 12-24hour , it usually mean the guild who's trigger it is, is not gonna show up. To answer how to comunicate with guild I asked in 3 online channel , big guild always have someone online when they are alive. Also requested a raid trigger dedicated forum from the dev as to communicate request and time of raid and takedown. You seem to be mixing raid rotation rules and wasted triggers rules who are two different things. No one is talking about an FFA ( except maybe you ) PRS is being worked on and is still in development , I asked for the Advocate to run them, but was denied One DGM seem to being doing them this days , again when time off work and real life event permiting -------- The internal way you do gear up and your own GUILD dedicated raid as no relevance to the discussion , sorry It's a nice way for new player btw. No one is even remotly discussing FFA at all , unless you are proposing it ? Want other guild and public to vote on it ? Wasted trigers rule ( addition and something else to the raid raotation ) = people asked the guild who's dedicated trigger it is No reply at all or visual contatc = permission to assemble and do it OPEN TO ALL SERVER PLAYERS Item that drop are rolled between raid players who showed up and their toon and whaterver aproval between themself ----------- Not suppose to multibox when you do raid rotation triggers Not suppose to multibox when you invoke wasted triggers rule ------------ Private discussion so far on Raid Rotation : - About the raid rotation I poposed to make Damage Inc a Big guild ( currently they have the most online player showing up and they also are technically not public anymore. POSSIBLY replacing Static in raid trigger rotation ) As to leave public have a spot too -I also proposed to remove static from the raid rotation ) I contacted a static leadership member, in game, who was suppose to pass the message along to their triumvirate (3 guild leader/toon not sure I aint static nor do I know there current status or guild leadership formation ) No decision or reply so far it's a work in progress , Static raid trigger go unused for full week and almost a month now. - ( wich VGE leadership was the only one who said they would discuss and get back to me on it ) others agreed on principle. ----------- Guild leaders i have on file : Preepp = VGE TsunamiTT = Damage INC BI = Raiderman Static = Uniicorn / Alurra Epic = skully Public = ?? (I can have more then one public reprsentative and add small guild leadership if they feel their voice is not heard ) If it's innacurate and need updating , say so or contatc me if you want to tell me if a guild leader MIA and is second replacing him as communication leader -------------------- This i what I have. discuss , contact your people , make decision Get back to me as SOON as possible. private message work on forum if public is not your thing and I am in the game mostly at nigth ( easter time ) and on weekend and on Teamspeak in the advocate forum.

Advocate position is not a permission giver , but a player mouthpiece to the dev. I asked Big Guild Leaders about the wasted triggers proposition and they said yes , except for Static who as yet to answer anything on forum or in game. BTW : PreeKoorb you where supposed to get back to me after your guild discussion on a triger related matter right ? As per the Month past way it as been done . In accordance with acceptance of almost all main big guild and public representative when all the triger where on and as per the rule of asking the guild if they are going to do their raid and got no reply on Static part I said go ahead. and would vouge for the player that he asked and tried to contact static ---------- Trying to get a raid trigger dedicated forum Thread from the dev as asked by many players. So that communication can also be done on the forum about raid triggers. Also wil try to get a dedicated PRS forum thread : BTW wednesday or thrusday one dev said he would make a PRS depending on his real life work permitting him to do so

Hi . Geboran Your question might seem correct and simple on the surface but it's not. Firstly Terran are a Race , so is Progen and Jenquai they are not on their own a definitive charactherization. because each race as three class type : - Explorer Class - Warrior Class - Trader Class So you have 9 type of ships ( 3 Races X 3 Class Type ) , with different skills and different devices and different missions possibility, in total. I refer you to the wiki for there names and starting area and different class https://www.net-7.org/wiki/index.php/Starting_area As you can see above the terran as three named ships : - Terran Enforcer ( Warrior Class ) - Terran Trader ( Trader Class ) - Terran Scout ( Explorer Class ) Once you understand this, it become easier to do research on your own and find out what your looking for. Some good ressources for starting are : https://www.net-7.org/?#database/tab-search-item https://www.net-7.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Some outdated but still relevant guide : http://www.earthandbeyond.ca/community/coolstuff/index.html and also New Player Help on here : https://forum.enb-emulator.com/index.php?/topic/2094-new-player-help/ As Alway you are better served by Joining the Game and asking in the new Player channel Even better is joining one of the big guild in the game and asking them to mentor and guide you.

Hi , meepmeep go to https://www.net-7.org register .. log in go to https://www.net-7.org/?#downloads get the Net-7 Unified Installer. the cd wont work as they try to connect to no longer existing EA servers.

Congratulation to both of you , P.S. : na you jut look like a very proud dad.

Welcome back to the game , Here is the wiki new player guide : https://www.net-7.org/wiki/index.php/New_Player_Tutorial/Guide New player guide on the forum : Some cool race walkttrough powerleveling guides : http://www.earthandbeyond.ca/community/coolstuff/index.html To help you with your exprience coming back. As Cimbad said if you have any question and you have the game installed ask in new player channel there always someone wiling to help out.

Ask in the game in new player channel. Always people willing to help out

What is your playing characters names in game ? The PP class is really good at reactor buff , but for new player TT are better as they offer hull patch skills. Don't worry about ammo sample or ammo making , just ask in the market channel ( chat tab at the top , set chanell option , check the market channel and othe rchannel you want to follow )

I would recomand you pick two of the same , two TT , two PW , Two JD , Two TE , there is enough player t help you if you need gear or low level escorting. If you remember your pasword your account still should be intact. Welcome back.

hii Spock_rhp , I hope that you change your mind and comeback to the game. There is always new player and old player to play with. see you in the game hopefuly.

Hi Stoop , Sorry to hear that you are leaving , I hope that thing in the futur improve and that you make a comeback and return to enjoying the game and the nice people who play everyday for fun. Sometime we need a step back and some time apart to know that we miss something , rediscover what made it fun for one self or that it's just time to move on. I hope you comeback and have tons of funs , if not it was nice sharing a server and getting it supported by you and wish you luck in finding your next passion. Thanks again and hopefully see you in the game later. - Moulinneuf

Poem for those who are not trader and stuck : iif you are not a trader and need help with deep duracell , there is help in OMP at the end of the bridge What bridge ? there is only bridge in vendor zone inside the starbase. where i do work all day on optical lasers. feel the powaar of the deep !! - by MArk CyRus

Thank you arthur , sorry for the additionnal work.

There seem to be a problem with the deep cycle battery making , part of the zeke mission on the jenquai explorer , contrary to previous comp that where tradable this one is not. is there a work around ?