ok Kyp and Woodstock thanks for all u guys help but I think we have tried it all, and all my windows disc's are genuine from windows 101 to windows 11 but nothing is working, but for the life of me why is the same thing happening on 3 diff laptops and 1 desktop I'ts got me stumped. Thank you guys for all your time and work, maybe one day it'll get worked out, but for now i'll do something else. Thank you again.