jrichards Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) I am reading 'The Heart of Matter' by Evan Currie and he referenced the Kardashev Scale which I had never heard of. I checked out the wikipedia page and was blown away. Some interesting stuff on the geometric progression of power, information, and quantum physics regarding the classification of the species/civilizations that could control it. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale"]http://en.wikipedia....Kardashev_scale[/url] Edited December 3, 2012 by Crichton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstar [MOD] Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 That is really cool, and it mentions a Dyson Sphere - I've been very interested in those since I first heard about them from ST TNG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenghisBob Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Someone was telling me about that several years ago but couldn't remember what it was called. Now I can read it myself and get more detail. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searing Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Crichton' timestamp='1354566347' post='67853'] I am reading 'The Heart of Matter' by Evan Currie and he referenced the Kardashev Scale which I had never heard of. I checked out the wikipedia page and was blown away. Some interesting stuff on the geometric progression of power, information, and quantum physics regarding the classification of the species/civilizations that could control it. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale"]http://en.wikipedia....Kardashev_scale[/url] [/quote] Kardashev scale projections for human civilization ranging from years 1900 to 2030, based on data from the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Energy_Agency"][color=#78031e]International Energy Agency[/color][/url] World Energy Outlook.The [b]Kardashev scale[/b] is a method of measuring an advanced [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization"][color=#78031e]civilization's[/color][/url] level of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology"][color=#78031e]technological[/color][/url] advancement. The scale is only theoretical and in terms of an actual civilization highly speculative; however, it puts energy consumption of an entire civilization in a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos"][color=#78031e]cosmic[/color][/url] perspective. It was first proposed in 1964 by the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union"][color=#78031e]Soviet[/color][/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia"][color=#78031e]Russian[/color][/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomer"][color=#78031e]astronomer[/color][/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kardashev"][color=#78031e]Nikolai Kardashev[/color][/url]. The scale has three designated categories called [i]Type I[/i], [i]II[/i], and [i]III[/i]. These are based on the amount of usable [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy"][color=#78031e]energy[/color][/url] a civilization has at its disposal, and the degree of space colonization. In general terms, a Type I civilization has achieved mastery of the resources of its home planet, Type II of its solar system, and Type III of its galaxy.[sup][url="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=8967515"][color=#78031e][1][/color][/url][/sup] The original and the final draft for this particular scale had energy consumptions ranging so widely from each other, that Kardashev himself revised the scale as to include values between, in hundredths. The human civilization as of 2010 is currently somewhere around 0.72, with calculations suggesting we may attain Type I status in about 100–200 years, Type II status in a few thousand years, and Type III status in about 100,000 to a million years.[sup][url="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=8967515"][color=#78031e][2][/color][/url][/sup] [b] [/b] [url="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mgGuJ4hDhX4/TbWLJ5ra40I/AAAAAAAACpQ/kh0vD6r3N8Y/s1600/500px-KScale.svg.png"]http://1.bp.blogspot...-KScale.svg.png[/url] Yeah...interesting stuff...i of course will be worm food by the time they beat the immortality issue........... Searing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichards Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) another section of that wiki page that I totally missed on my first pass: [quote name=from the same wiki page] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Barrow"]John D. Barrow[/url], going by the fact that humans have found it more cost-effective to extend any abilities to manipulate their environment over increasingly smaller dimensions rather than increasingly larger ones, reverses the classification downward from Type I-minus to Type Omega-minus:[list] [*][b]Type I-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating objects over the scale of themselves: building structures, mining, joining and breaking solids; [*][b]Type II-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating genes and altering the development of living things, transplanting or replacing parts of themselves, reading and engineering their genetic code; [*][b]Type Ill-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating molecules and molecular bonds, creating new materials; [b]Type IV-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating individual atoms, creating nanotechnologies on the atomic scale and creating complex forms of artificial life; [*][b]Type V-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating the atomic nucleus and engineering the nucleons that compose it; [*][b]Type VI-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating the most elementary particles of matter (quarks and leptons) to create organized complexity among populations of elementary particles; culminating in. [*][b]Type Omega-minus[/b] is capable of manipulating the basic structure of space and time. [/list] [/quote] I also enjoyed the science fiction examples and what level they are on the scale. Edited December 5, 2012 by Crichton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkkHero Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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