Tyran Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 According to the advocate Sneaky, the devs have given us the players an ultimatum to prettymuch SHUT THE HELL UP about Brimstone Ballista ammo not dropping, or the gun and ammo will be removed completely. Sneaky is not reliable to bring up this topic up as he has personal interests regarding the matter, see here. Devs, these are the mistakes about how you handled the brimstone ballista affair: 1) Adding an item like the BB and removing it causes more unhappiness than not. This alone is enough reason to reinstate it (especially if you rely on donations!). And since this is a stress test why do you care so much about keeping the item from those who did not get it earlier? ''It was a mistake'' simply will not do for those that do not have it. 2) You cannot, NEVER ever EVER silence the people by threatening them. You will only create more willpower to oppose you. Also it is in the interest of those who don't have it not to shut up about it ever as they are in a lose-lose situation otherwise. Suggested fix? Add the item yesterday already. You cannot lose if you do this. Happy players play and donate more. And if you do not do this, part of the playerbase may and likely will lose confidence in you being able to make a balanced game that keeps everyone, instead of the few happy. So please devs, remember that this is not about not conceding to the players or who wins what, it's about keeping the majority happy. PS: accidentally posted this in suggestions forum, since this is not a suggestion but a fact... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvenmuse Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 *walks up to the forum, sticks a sign in the ground stating "remember children, don't feed the trolls"* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcrowley Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 There were 2 different threads mentioning this topic in the player advocate forum and you needed to make 2 more completely identical posts? Not seeing the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimir[IS] Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1312802886' post='44274'] According to the advocate Sneaky, the devs have given us the players an ultimatum to prettymuch SHUT THE HELL UP about Brimstone Ballista ammo not dropping, or the gun and ammo will be removed completely. Sneaky is not reliable to bring up this topic up as he has personal interests regarding the matter, see here. Devs, these are the mistakes about how you handled the brimstone ballista affair: 1) Adding an item like the BB and removing it causes more unhappiness than not. This alone is enough reason to reinstate it (especially if you rely on donations!). And since this is a stress test why do you care so much about keeping the item from those who did not get it earlier? ''It was a mistake'' simply will not do for those that do not have it. 2) You cannot, NEVER ever EVER silence the people by threatening them. You will only create more willpower to oppose you. Also it is in the interest of those who don't have it not to shut up about it ever as they are in a lose-lose situation otherwise. Suggested fix? Add the item yesterday already. You cannot lose if you do this. Happy players play and donate more. And if you do not do this, part of the playerbase may and likely will lose confidence in you being able to make a balanced game that keeps everyone, instead of the few happy. So please devs, remember that this is not about not conceding to the players or who wins what, it's about keeping the majority happy. PS: accidentally posted this in suggestions forum, since this is not a suggestion but a fact... [/quote] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]I can’t help it; it seems those that don’t donate are the ones who bring up the threat of give it to us or “we” won’t donate, maybe it would be easier to take if the threat of taking away something was something YOU actually gave. [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyran Posted August 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='redcrowley' timestamp='1312803215' post='44280'] There were 2 different threads mentioning this topic in the player advocate forum and you needed to make 2 more completely identical posts? Not seeing the logic. [/quote] Read my initial post: [b]PS: accidentally posted this in suggestions forum, since this is not a suggestion but a fact... [/b] What is not logical is people not reading properly and then replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcrowley Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1312803454' post='44282'] Read my initial post: [b]PS: accidentally posted this in suggestions forum, since this is not a suggestion but a fact... [/b] What is not logical is people not reading properly and then replying. [/quote] It's a small forum with limited users. No matter your reasoning, topics on this in 3 sections and 4 currently active posts were far from required... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyran Posted August 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='redcrowley' timestamp='1312803555' post='44283'] It's a small forum with limited users. No matter your reasoning, topics on this in 3 sections and 4 currently active posts were far from required... [/quote] No, you said so yourself the advocate is serving his own interests on the matter in the first place. Sneaky's topic is aimed at the [b]people[/b], and to silence them. My topic is to make clear to the [b]devs[/b] they have many a bigger mistake by fixing a smaller one. They are aimed at different groups. Also the adv forum is not usually the place devs respond, it seems they have made a perimeter exclusion zone around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp [LDEV] Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I reply here. Closed. See the thread in the Advocate forum. (I seem to have blown your theory out of the water, sorry about that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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