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Tyran, [quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1312802482' post='44270'] Sneaky is not reliable to bring up this topic up as he has personal interests regarding the matter, see [url="https://forum.enb-emulator.com/index.php?/topic/5428-brimestone-ballista-ammno/page__pid__44262#entry44262"]here[/url]. [/quote] You seem to be expecting the Advocate to surrender all his individualism when he assumes his role. By the very description of the role the Advocate is a player. If you are accusing him of not doing his job then you should spell that out for us. Sneaky both took the player concern to the Devs and also provided us their feedback. That is the role he agreed to take and which he has properly discharged. Personal interest is a prerequisite for the role - why would anyone bother otherwise?

I have been unable to detect anything other than skill level, number of prints, and build devices (ala Matrix) which help increase build quality. One point of not however is that I can confirm that the build devices now stack - at least the major / minor. So Duct Tape stacks with Matrix and the Reactor/Shield build computers stack with Shield Prom and Scientists Data Cube now. So some good news.

List above updated.

[quote name='Dodger' timestamp='1311659077' post='43634'] I'm the owner... [/quote] Great site - nicely done.

Evermore, I will update the other posts to include more complete names. One correction above: [color=#444444][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial,]Ceres lvl6 and lvl7 [b]Vender Sold[/b][/font][/color] [color=#444444][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial,][b] [/b][/font][/color] [font="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial,"][size="2"][color="#444444"][b]While the Ceres is vendor sold it is sold at Sulani Highport which players do not have access too. [/b][/color][/size][/font]

[quote name='Lot' timestamp='1311266441' post='43475'] On a different note: Gold Scale L6 and Falkirk Delta L5 both buyable in Charon Cloister. IMO neither should be available from the vendor (may be lower levels perhaps not at all any level). They do drop and in live were not vendor sold. [/quote] I like the idea of having certain RD loot items available from an RD vendor. Darrin required good RD faction (at least +2k) to be able to purchase from him. It is a nice option for those who wish to remain RD positive and would prefer not to farm RD for those drops.

[quote name='Lot' timestamp='1311098935' post='43420'] I don't believe it drops. Yes I agree it was always supposed to drop from the Bio CL50s but it wasn't and then it was re-shuffled on to the Voltois but I didn't really believe that either. Now you think it's back on the Bio CL50s? The database says it isn't dropping so my faith is pretty low. [/quote] It was dropping before the most recent round of reshuffling. Worth a check, it was a one in 20 kill drop or so. If not then I can add it to the list again.

The following is a list devices which, as near as I cantell, are not dropping and probably should be. Specifically these items are: [list][*]Not tied to storyline progression and so have norestrictions (i.e. Virix items and Bogi items over lvl5, etc).[*]Have no player (i.e. not dev or gm) toons with the prints inthe DB.[*]In most cases most of a line drops and only one or two aremissing.[/list] See my post on beams for list of caveats. Hopefully this helps. This is my last summary posts – hopefully the separate postswill get some life of their own and we can fine tune things. [b]Devices not Dropping: [/b] [list=1][*]Armadillo Plate L8 (L8)[*]DV-PR-X5 "Buckler" MK VIII (L8)[*]Burden Quattuor (L4)[*]Coma Major RSR 8 (L8)[*]Corona Australis Major I PR 8 (L8)[*]Corona Borealis Major IPSS 8 (L8)[*]Eagle Wing L8 (L8) and Eagle Wing L9 (L9)[*]Elephant Hide L7 (L7), Elephant Hide L8 (L8), Elephant Hide L9 (L9)[*]Fornax Borealis II RE 3 (L3), Fornax Borealis II RE 4 (L4), Fornax Borealis Major RE 8 (L8)[*]DV-EN-X2 "Greasemonkey" Mk. VI (L6), DV-EN-X4 "Greasemonkey" Mk. IX (L9)[*]DV-RS-X3 "Guardian" Mk. VIII (L8), DV-RS-X4 "Guardian" Mk. IX (L9)[*]DV-ER-X3 "Heater" Mk. VI (L6), DV-ER-X4 "Heater" Mk. VII (L7), DV-ER-X4 "Heater" Mk. VIII (L8), DV-ER-X5 "Heater" Mk. IX (L9)[*]Jade Megahurtz (L8)[*]DV-MR-X5 "Kite" Mk. IX (L9)[*]Laser Scope Novem (L9)[*]Leopard Spots L7 (L7), Leopard Spots L8 (L8)[*]Lepus Major IFSS 8 (L8) Lepus Prime IFSS 9 (L9)[*]Manticore's Twinge (L4), Manticore's Dread Torment (L9)[*]DV-XR-X4 "Pavis" Mk. VIII (L8)[*]Phoenix Major BTE 8 (L8)[*]Plague Quattuor (L4)[*]DV-PSI-X2 "Profiler" Mk. VI (L6), DV-PSI-X4 "Profiler" Mk. IX (L9)[*]Pyxis Australis II BIS 5 (L5), Pyxis Australis II BIS 6 (L6), Pyxis Australis Major BIS 9 (L8)[*]Pyxis Borealis II BIS 3 (L3), Pyxis Borealis Minor BIS 6 (L6), Pyxis Borealis Major BIS 7 (L7), Pyxis Borealis Major BIS 8 (L8), Pyxis Borealis Prime BIS 9 (L9)[*]DV-RW-X3 "Quagmire" Mk VI (L6), DV-RW-X4 "Quagmire" Mk VII (L7), DV-RW-X4 "Quagmire" Mk VIII (L8), DV-RW-X5 "Quagmire" Mk IX (L9)[*]Rhinoceros Horn L9 (L9)[*]Satyr’s Dire Disturbing (L8), Satyr's Dread Derangement (L9)[*]Shark Fin L8 (L8), Shark Fin L9 (L9)[*]Spiderweb L8 (L8), Spiderweb L9 (L9)[*]Sting Novem (L9)[*]Tapdeck Playin Linnart Skinnert (L4) (may be storyrestricted)[*]DV-CR-X4 "Targe" Mk VIII (L8), DV-CR-X5 "Targue" Mk IX (L9)[*]Telescopium Prime BISR 9 (L9)[*]DV-IR-X3 "Tower" Mk. VI (L6), DV-IR-X5 "Tower" Mk IX (L9)[*]Turtle Shell L9 (L9)[/list] Edit: Edited names for Ever.

Lott, Golden Eagle drops off one of the named CL66 Progen Capital ships in Tarsis. Warriors Heart was dropping off the Kewi base modules, but I think they fixed that. Ronnin Yori was an error on my part - will add it back up above.

Golden Dragon lvl9 was dropping back off the lvl50 Bios in Xipe and Fenris - as it should be. Have not checked lately.

BlackWiddow 8 was dropping from the named Admiral in Moto. Have not checked back lately. He was also dropping the Arabian engine. I missed that there even was a lvl5 Dragontooth - will update.

Items not dropping: Engines, Shields, and Reactors [list][*]The following is a list of engines, shields, and reactorswhich, as near as I can tell, are not dropping and probably should be.Specifically these items are:[*]Not tied to storyline progression and so have norestrictions (i.e. Virix items and Bogi items over lvl5, etc).[*]Have no player (i.e. not dev or gm) toons with the prints inthe DB.[/list]In most cases most of a line drops and only one or two aremissing. See my post on beams for list of caveats. Hopefully this helps. Engines: [list][*]Idle Hands (L2)[*]Kraken Motivator (L2)[*]Used Dashmaster (L1), Refitted Dashmaster (L2), and New Dashmaster (L3)[*]Rancorous Drive (L2)[*]Wanderer (L2)[*]Zeuse Max (L9)[/list] Shields: [list][*]SH-X9 "Great Dane" Mk IX (L9)[*]Ronin Yoroi Shield Ni (L3), Ronin Yoroi Shield San (L4)[/list] Reactors: [list][*]Heart of the Dragon (L9)[*]Warrior's Heart Delta (L9)[*]Cygnus NGC 9 (L9)[/list] Updated: Included full item name for Ever, and added content from the thread to provide an updated list.

The following is a list of projectiles and missiles which,as near as I can tell, are not dropping and probably should be. Specificallythese items are:[list][*]Not tied to storyline progression and so have norestrictions (i.e. Virix items and Bogi items over lvl5, etc).[*]Have no player (i.e. not dev or gm) toons with the prints inthe DB.[*]In most cases most of a line drops and only one or two aremissing.[/list] See my post on beams for list of caveats. Hopefully this helps. Projectiles and MLs are two of themore complete lists. Projectiles not dropping: [list][*]Killing Dragontooth (L5)[*]Most Macabre Breed PL B2 (L6)[/list] Missiles not dropping: [list][*]Gold Dragonbreath (L7)[*]Golden Dragonfly San (L8)[*]Mangonel Max (L8)[*]ML-X10 "Recluse" MK. VIII (L8)[*]Onyx Ogun (L5)[/list] Edit: Updated Names for Ever & Update list based upon the content of this thread.

[quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1311089604' post='43407'] Maybe not all items are dropping for a reason? [/quote] Possible, though I can't think of a reason. More likely the obviously complexity of managing the number of items and number of mobs has allowed some to slip though. Hopefully I can help the devs find and fill the gaps. If any should not be dropping I doubt my post will change any of that.

Thanks for the update Lott - I will note the Orca appropriately. The Wrath of Kokura fell into my "story-line" bucket. I know some have it from Hulkfest but I do believe it is part of the advancement of the plot - or at least tied to a group that is in the plot. A couple other points for the item devs: 1. The Orca lvl5 is a vendor item (Somer in NE) but the lvl6 and lvl7 are not. May be an error they should probably appear at F7 or GO. 2. On the Rosette LGS - the DB says the lvl6 and 7 should be at VT and the lvl8 at Joves. The 6 and the 8 are where they are supposed to be by the lvl7 is MIA. It dosn't appar at VT nor at any other station that I am aware of.

The following is a list of beams which, as near as I can tell, are not dropping and probably should be. Specifically these items are: [list][*]Not tied to storyline progression and so have no restrictions (i.e. Virix items and Bogi items over lvl5, etc).[*]Have no player (i.e. not dev or gm) toons with the prints in the DB.[*]In most cases most of a line drops and only one or two are missing.[/list] [u] Caveats: [/u] [list][*]There are many items which I suspect dropped at one time by, but do so no longer, and many people (perhaps myself included) got the print. I did not include these items on the list as I have no way of verifying if it drops currently and I have just not found it. I eroded on the side of caution.[*]This was done without consideration for the database setting for item doesn’t drop or item has hidden drops as I think that field is mostly inaccurate. Drops may occur in non-player accessible areas and, in many cases, there are items which are marked as not dropping which do.[*]This does leave the possibility that an item drops by no-one on the emulator has found it – which I believe would be an unlikely or exceptional event.[/list] I am hoping that some of you can comment on some portions of this in case of any errors and that the devs can use this to address any missing drops. I will be doing this for the rest of the item types (projectile, ML, shields, engines, reactors, and devices) as time permits and post them as I have a particular category completed. Hopefully this helps. [b]Beams not dropping:[/b] [list=1][*][s]Adder EB-X8[/s]: lvl6[*][s]Alluring Laser Class J[/s]: lvl6[*][s]Antares MCG[/s]: lvl5[*][s]Appealing Laser Class H[/s]: lvl4[*][s]Axe: lvl 6 and lvl7[/s][*][s]Biting EMP AC[/s]: lvl5[*][s]Ceres lvl6[/s] and lvl7 [b]Vender Sold[/b][*][s]Cheetah[/s] lvl5[*][s]Clawing EMP Beam XY[/s]: lvl6[*][s]Coyote: lvl 5 and lvl6[/s][*][s]Crab: Entire line[/s][*][s]Dagger:[/s] lvl5[*]Distortion Array: lvl9 (unclear if this is story related, I do not believe so).[*]Fangs of the Dragon: lvl8[*][s]Faye DDO:[/s] lvl6[*][s]Fetching Laser Line A3[/s]: lvl4[*][s]Foxy Class F:[/s] lvl6[*][s]Grating EMP Beam 2b:[/s] lvl6[*]Green Kirin EMP: lvl5[*][s]Helix NGC:[/s] lvl8[*][s]Jackal: lvl5 and lvl6[/s][*][s]Leopard: Entire line[/s][*]Manta MP-X2: lvl6[*][s]Miffing EMP Beam 1A:[/s] lvl4 and lvl5[*]Orca: lvl7[*]Rapier: lvl5 and lvl6[*][s]Sagittarius UGC: lvl5-7[/s][*][s]Saturnus:[/s] lvl5[*]Shark: lvl6[*]Stinging EMP Beam XZ: lvl5[*]Stingray XP-X5: lvl6[*]Sultry Class E: lvl4[*]Torrid Lser Line B2: lvl6[*]Trident: lvl5[*][s]Vega MCG:[/s] lvl4[*][s]Zapping EMP AB:[/s] lvl4 and lvl6[/list] Feel free to add, comment, or correct.

Nice - I can see where this would be handy. Will have to pull it up on the Ipad and play with it some. Nicely done.

Regardless of content NP is becoming more of an OOC channel and I agree it is stepping on the ability for new players to actually get help. It would be nice if people left the channel for its intended purpose. I have to turn of the channel more often that not just because of all the garbage going across it.

The larger guilds tend to be better in helping new players - more because there are more people on at a given time and they tend to usually have experienced players around. Send me a /t next time you are in game and I will gladly invite you to our guild or give you some pointers on people to contact for the other large guilds.

The goal of the ST is to get ready for Alpha. I struggle to see how removing the SS8 or the many other error items progresses us towards that goal. Especially give that this will be the 4th time in my memory that items have been mistakenly added to drop tables and then removed. Given that it is likely to happen again shouldn't the policy be to correct the drop error to get the loot tables ready for Alpha/Live? Clean up of the incidentals (which build lists certainly qualify as) comes with the eventual wipe to progress us to the next stage of testing - however far off that may be. If we remove it now, we will just need to continue the policy which doesn't progress the emulator project and frustrates the player base. If this was the first and an isolated occurrence then it may be different - but this would be number 4 just in ST4. As the DEVs continue to tune the drop tables there will be more. The "playing favorites" item is a red herring. People will believe what they want to believe. If I had a dollar for every time I was accused of using, asked to use, or assumed to have used "DEV or GM" abilities as the Advocate I could fund the Emu for the next year. We had HulkFest 2010, now we have had MobFest 2011. Move on, fix the core issue of the drop tables and get us ready for live.

Removing items from build lists really must stop - it messes up my beautiful spreadsheet. In fairness, and acknowledging a bit of a bias, the removal of items from build lists causes to much frustration. We have done it to many times now - in fact the SS8 has been removed from my build list before. And the Sunfire 2k twice already, and... well, needless to say we have been down this road already. And each time it generates more frustration and antagonizes a player base that is already a bit board. Fix the drops - even remove the Warp Fibers so that the SS8 cannot be built - but removing from build lists and from players who already went through the process to get the parts and have one made causes far to much frustration for it to net in. As Cheeze rightly pointed out there are far to many other things to be spending time on. If we go down the trail with the SS8 then there are literally dozens other things that fit into the same category . Anyone need a Dark Matter PL while we are at it?

Has the process by which you trade in to get Stage III encryption changed? Architecti Composita will not talk to me any longer.

Crashed hard just now.

Confirmed it is down again. However the previous recovery was not reboot - /uptime shows almost 9 hours of uptime. Perhaps it recovered itself or there was a connectivity issue and the server was not really down. N But, as noted, it is down as of now.

Kyp, It was some sort of min-crash. All of my toons (both inside and outside) of the FB crashed and the notifier and the net-7.org main page showed down. We did get back online and finish the raid however. Very odd.