Azasha

I rarely play now days but I thought to comment on one of the options... "I had the Betty Ford Clinic for addicted MMO gamers on speed dial for most of the early 2000's..." I fit in that category but scarily enough the ONLY MMO I played at the time was Earth and Beyond... There should probably be an option for "I stayed up longer than 24 hours taking breaks for food playing Earth and Beyond only the entire time." Actually during the last Halloween I think it was more like 48 hours... If you're wondering no I wasn't working at the time lol. Comes with the territory of temporary disabilities.

Got ya Sorry I missed that part even I'm not perfect.

This already happens by default on my system..... Having the last user logged in come up that is.

Hopefully this won't be taken the wrong way... The reason why the ads and charging for additional in game access, credits, or skill points becomes sketchy is because it's too akin to "making a profit" as it's not a clear set donation. Many donation based non-profit organizations do offer gifts to donors. However, without the legal protection of actually being a non-profit corporation this could raise issue with EA. I'm only responding because I've done a small amount of research on it. I'm not saying it's not possible but it would take a good amount of legal research and everyone (not just on this subject but anything in life) should always take into consideration that just because you are within legal bounds does not automatically protect you. The way the US legal system is setup when it comes to entity vs. entity is that you have to have the financial backing to fight for your rights and prove you are within legal bounds. Staying non-profit is a very difficult legal maze to wander through as I'm finding out more and more as I do my own research. A lot of these ideas are great ideas and it will be interesting to see what C_Del incorporates. I wish him the best of luck with this!

Ok I've been debating on chiming in on this part of the conversation for awhile but in some situations devils advocate has to be played. Under the Creative Commons License Net7 does have the right to stop all distribution of materials under that license. So they are not breaking their license. Per this section: In short most Open Source Licenses (and there are many) do not require that the source code be distributed but rather "allow" the source code to be distributed. Now, Creative Commons does not very well address this as it is not an Open Source License but rather a free distribution and alteration license most commonly used for Artwork, films, and literary works. So basically Net7 is not going against their license because it does not require them to distribute but rather allows anyone who is given their works (via http or ftp download, email, or any other form of physical or digital transmittal) to modify and redistribute for non-profit. The full license can be found here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/legalcode So the debate really isn't if they have violated "their open source license". Who they distribute to after their licensing is not a legal matter but their own decision. They just can't tell anyone who they distributed the source code to what they can do with it as long as the person(s) or organization(s) is not making a profit. I also agree this thread is pretty done with.

You know in reading this it really did get off topic at least from what I can tell. Though most forums posts do. The original topic was about censorship and it's turned into another qa session so with that it might be good to get back on topic. In all honestly it's nice that others interested in our project but we have our own forums, irc, and game server there really is not much purpose in discussing a project which is not partnered with Net7 on Net7's forums. It is on the topic of Earth and Beyond but these forums are for Net7 and the emulator they maintain. (Edited wording was horrible)

Well... hopefully this will make you smile and not frown. I completely understand about people claiming work as their own which is why I made it a point to set aside a folder for a completely unedited version of your guys database and source code. This way there can be a reference if anyone ever wants to know just what parts of our project came from Net7. I'm very big on giving credit where it's due.

The short on this. Which is some of the reasons that team member is no longer on our team.

I don't have time to reply to this whole thread right now if it is still open maybe. One thing I am going to comment on because it severely bothers me. The finger pointing and stating by DEV's or members over here about what our intentions are. Saying that we only exist because we weren't allowed to play in the sandbox is not true and leaves a bad taste in anyone's mouth. Most of the team on our project wasn't even part of the team over here. I myself am very interested in getting the game back to the way it was in live and any new content being added the same way it was in live. I know that many of the other team members on our project feel the very exact way. This is not just a "ruse" as someone put it and is one of the reasons for the proposed joint installer and launcher to connect to both servers. To keep the community together (which is a large part of Earth and Beyond) and allow them without too many problems to wake up in the morning and say "Do I want to play this version or that version today?". I personally would appreciate being shown the same respect I and the current staff on our project show Net7. If you look at the source code we have released no where have we removed Net7's name and even in our new drafting of our terms of use, disclosure and credits we are drafting in credits to Net7. We are not trying to "take credit" for someone else's work. We are doing exactly what Open Source is designed to do. We are building a project off a slightly different ideal based on the original project. I will say that withholding any information needed to run a project the same way the original authors run it is not against open source licensing and it's not against the law. It is against the ideal and spirit that Open Source was based on. (Edited for typo error)

I'm sorry that you see it that way Tienbau. Right now we haven't done much development so there isn't much to share. So, what have we been doing? Getting programmers on board and familiar with the game. They can't code something they don't know what it is. Organizing the SVN and removing code which is no longer used and will not be used by us. Integrating our SVN with our Bug Tracking system before we even start using it. The code will be available and so far everything we have done has been available. So I'm sorry to be posting updates over here but it's the only explanation to your accusation that we are "closed source". Setting up a long term goal project with systems that hopefully won't need much modification as the project grows doesn't happen overnight.

Ok well I've pretty much been the "play nice" sort of person. I hang out on Net7's IRC and help people there when no one from Net7 answers, which is most of the time, to get on Net7's server when in reality I could be grabbing people but you know I have a bit more respect than that. Obviously others don't. I will post this here if it is deleted or modified I will be posting it on our forums. I am part of the Administration team for "the other project". I'm not here to advertise and I won't be posting any links. What I don't appreciate is the bashing going on with no actual evidence. I have been very respectful of Net7's forums and servers and rarely breath a word of "our team's project" over here when I do it's to someone who already knows about it and usually in game pm. However, at this point Net7 by allowing this thread has authorized that discussion so I'd like to set a few things straight. First and foremost we will be keeping things open source and this is one thing that developers from Net7 have approached us about in a negative manner. So much so that the idea we had to possibly keep the community at large together was completely shot down. We approached Net7, specifically David and Tienbau, explained that our goals for the server were different from their's in code and content and that we would like to have a single installer and launcher that would allow the players to log into either server. The best I can say is Net7 doesn't see any benefit in this right now and instead tried to make an ultimatum to us of "do this and we'll think about it". There are many other ways we could have gone about getting players and I personally think we have been very respectful and open minded in working towards what would be best for the community. The accusations that the code was stolen are unfounded, anything open source is exactly that. Wikipedia states the following: From my understanding the Open Source License this code was published under allows modification and redistribution of modified code. We are not collecting donations for "other people's work" all donations have been collected with the understanding that they go towards the development goals we have set for our team. We do have a shortage of donations but we will do what is necessary to keep the project going. I doubt Net7 or whoever started over here started with the big cash support they have now. Rarely does any project start with ideal conditions. I realize people are probably going to bash me for posting this *shrug* I have a bit thicker skin than that. I also realize this very well might get deleted as stated above I'll just post it on our forums if that is the case. I welcome any and all questions which have the intent of finding answers and not just put out there to start a flame war.

This is not a Net7 issue and is not affiliated with Net7. It is honestly not really an issue it was an announcement that was made and in the interested of respecting Net7's forums I will not post any more regarding this matter over here.

This is the reason that certain skills have a "cool down" time where you can only use them once in X amount of seconds or minutes. No reason to change the game mechanics from what they were before. I don't know why people insist that things be "balanced" or changed to be "useful" when the emu is not even fully functional. The goal should be to get all skills, items, sectors, stations, mobs, ores, asteroids, and anything else anyone can think of functional back to the way it was in Live. THEN if tweaks need to be made or things changed that would be the time to do that.

Evilelmo if you haven't received an invite yet try to get one of our officers / recruiters in game as it can be difficult to catch just 1 person online for those of us who might be watching this thread. The following people can send you an invite: Officers: Azasha Latora Mortiaca Caine Cane Diamondgal Easyone Easytodie Easytokill Easytoride Easytwo Junglesoldier Polytrader Satis Satists Traxpp Traxte Traxts Recruiters: Brick Cobraking Levitron Rossdie Nikki Rumrunnerpp Sherlock Spike Takasis Trapper Vortexpp Or just catch any one of our members in space. All of our members will be more than happy to get someone who can invite you to the guild.

I really don't mean this to be rude either but if you spent as much time looking for external resources for Earth and Beyond as you spent on this post you would already know there is a pretty detailed map system that shows the location, level, and type of ores for every system. Edit: And honestly with Level and Asteroid type spelled out for you if you can't deduce from that what exact ores by name drop from there do a little more searching and you'll find a full table from the times of Live of what ores drop at what level in what type of Asteroid. That is if you haven't figured that out by now since it sounds like you've mined plenty.