HellHasArrived

Right now there is no limitation on warp speed... Combat speed tops out at 1k. The TS can achieve the highest warp of 9045. I've got my JE just above 8k with RR+9, unicorn, Nav computer, and Loony's Hunk O'Metal (which technically isn't in game). At lower levels the JE is better on power when mining due to reactors being a main core skill and getting them 10 levels before the TS... Later on the TS mines just as well as the JE or PS. JE just has that convenience factor of Wormhole. Which is nice.

If you wait the launcher goes through, but when I get to the login screen it says, "Connecting to server..."

Having trouble getting past the launcher...

I have seen this on my own JD... When you first engage cloak it does take up tp 3 seconds, but after you are cloaked you can spam the cloak button and make yourself cloak so fast that no one even sees your name.

As for a TE solo'n GoBB the way he is now it's never gonna happen... The minnions and GoBB hit too hard and will hit you at up to 15k away, have heard people say even further than that at times.

Well with constant damage no amount of healing would help... Especially against raid level bosses.

[quote name='Drained' timestamp='1340159053' post='59221'] Martyr's heart has no restrictions, any race can use it. [/quote] Thing is a PW or any other class that isn't Jenquai can't use that to keep them alive (i.e Cloaking before they take damage)...

All I am saying is they didn't mind throwing the PW under the bus in the name of balance... The Jenquai have to be handled with kid gloves.

[quote name='Phorlaug' timestamp='1340041695' post='59170'] +1 I agree, 10 seconds? A lot can happen in 10 seconds with a class that has tin hulls, L8 shields, No Hull patch with their professions needing to be at close range to shoot and 1/3 of them can fire from any directions at long range. In 15 seconds with a in your face fight they won't have a chance, thats the PW. IMO [u]I think No body is listening to the fact that Once See cloak is added to 1 or 2 of the NPC that fly in formation with Black Beard HE WILL NOT BE SOLOABLE. the same go's for the FISH Bowl bosses, Problem Solved with See Cloak and missiles! You have been told over and over again.[/u] But I see that all you really want is your Shield Sap back. [/quote] Was just trying to make a point... If PW had shield sap mechanics from 1 and a half years ago I could go in and decimate the FB. Is that fair? No, but look at it from the PW's point of view. Also a PW still couldn't rely on shield sap to keep them up then. GoBB boss group can strip a PW of its shields and hull in just a few seconds if it doesn't get constant heals.

No it's fine leave it as be, but give me the ability to inflict 100+k damage to every mob within 3k of targeted mob every 14 seconds back... I'll be perfectly happy.

It's funny though when PW was seen as overpowered, they nerfed it to hell and back... JD is seen as overpowered, what happens to it has to be mulled over.

Guess the server couldn't handle the debate in New Players chat...

[quote name='Algaron' timestamp='1339822849' post='59029'] I was talking abut when the cloak was fixed and not broken like it is now. It will take 3 seconds minimum to cloak like it should in the first place. So there won't be a 'quick-cloaking' JD it will be a normal cloaking JD. I know you understand what I was on about with the 2 second thing, and 2 seconds is hardly an eternity. What is that - maybe one more shot from my JD or half the time it would take me to recast cloak, or 1/3 the time it would take to put up a PSI? I didnt think it was unreasonable amount of time, and certainly not a game changer. You must agree that instant re targeting of a ship just coming out of cloak is a bit much. No? It would allow JD to use the class more efficiently. And as for the PSI shield - well again doubling the amount of damage absorption is certainly not a game changer, but would again allow the JD to be able to use it more than once during a raid. Psi shield should at least be strong enough to withstand 2 or 3 seconds of damage from just 1 raid mob. Currently PSI in a raid is more just for show than actually being a skill to be used. It fails in less time than it takes to cast it. Consider Shield Sap, a PW is usually able to hang in a fight long enough for the cool down timer to end, and to recast it. Granted Shield Sap isn't the same as PSI shield, but Energy Leech is and that skill is currently busted as well for a JD. [/quote] I can instantly target a mob when it spawns... Why can't it instantly target me when i decloak? Also a PW in a raid can't hang in a fight long enough for its cooldown timer to end... I know I play a PW. As for the Psi shield consider before buffs a JD's shield cap is around 50k. 80k absorbstion is very significant. Even 40k is a good deal of damage unless your trying to tank something. Which as a JD you just don't do.

[quote name='Algaron' timestamp='1339819590' post='59025'] JD's can also use all three weapon types. One other thing I would like to point out with cloak and damage mitigation. While I also think that it is a bit of a stretch to be able to not take any damage or half damage due to cloaking, the mechanics are still not working correctly even on cloak damage reduction. There have been many times when I have cloaked (have had the cloak icon in my buff window, not just in the process of cloaking) and I will watch incoming projectiles and missiles as they hit my ship the first volley will register as zero damage, but the volley just behind that one will register damage. The one thing I would really like to see looked at, is when I am am coming out of cloak, the mobs in the area can INSTANTY see I have decloaked - even if I have moved from the position they last saw me. I feel there needs to be a minimum acquisition of target time by the mob of at least 2 secs. They should have to search and lock on once again before they can any weapons. Cloaking does NOT clear the mobs target and it should in my view. Again this goes more to Mob AI than fixing or tweaking cloak as the solution. Only mobs with the See Cloaked ability should be able to instantly lock on and fire. As well a minimum relock time is needed to recast a PSI shield for a JD. Currently recasting PSI is a waste of time when fighting mobs that use Missiles or Projectiles. it takes 6 seconds for a Psionic Invulnerability to be cast - and in the meantime all that ordinance is on route, more than enough damage to instantly wipe out the PSI shield just cast. JD are forced to cast PSI once at the start of the fight. A technique once used by JD's to recast PSI shield to coincide with failing of current shield is taken away. I rarely use PSI shield on lower level mobs, and use it mostly for raid mobs. I have suggested this before but perhaps the damage absorption could be doubled. Currenty the max amount of damage absorption is about 40k without deflects. Even doubling the amount of absorption to 80k will only give the JD 2 or 3 more seconds to recast PSI or to fold space out of danger. It is by no means a God mode shield and will only protect the JD for 2 or 3 seconds against a lvl 60 raid mob, so there would be no spamming of psi shield to protect JD with PSi spamming indefinitely. PSi should at least be strong enough to protect the JD long enough to use other skills. Sorry I think I almost hijacked this thread - but it had to be said. I will post more on PSI inadequacies in another thread. [/quote] Really 2 seconds to react? Giving an already quick cloaking JD more time to cloak before they fire? I get what your saying, but 2 seconds is a bit much. Also double the Psi-shield absorbtion is a lot too. That's the entire JD's shield doubled. Granted without deflects.

[quote name='Phorlaug' timestamp='1339813187' post='59019'] PW and PS get to shoot backwards if they Equip missiles. But I see Terrell answered that. [/quote] Progens is the only race that gets all three weapons types... Still would never use missiles on any of them.

Well this might be late to add to this conversation, but unless cloak takes you out of phase with normal space time, if you are fired upon you will get hit no matter what unless you were moving while you cloak... Which in most cases you are following the mob so you aren't moving away in any other direction. I don't know if you see where I am going with this. Half damage maybe, no damage I don't see how that's possible. Maybe I am reading too much into things.

[quote name='Ryle' timestamp='1339387277' post='58721'] Youre discounting survivability. That would be true EXCEPT that the JD isnt getting slaughtered by 6 mobs beating on it while it cloaks and takes no damage. Big shields and hull arent as big as they look when youve got 6 raid mobs chewing on you. Long term durability again goes to the JD, because of CC. I have an idea. Lets all of us, every single person from the forum thats been in this thread, all go to the fishbowl as soon as the game starts back up. Me and Bleakened (the JD guildy this thread started over) can take our toons there. My PW, his JD. Ill go first, Ill see how long I last and how many fish I kill by myself. Then let him try. I bet money says he wins. And quite frankly I bet im dead before I kill a single one. [/quote] Oh no you can kill one of those low level minnions in the first wave. One...

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[quote name='Algaron' timestamp='1339386259' post='58714'] Jenquai feel your pain when it comes to building progen stuff - I am not sure, so don't quote me, but I thought I remember being able to make progen stuff on my JD - just not being able to equip it. As to nerfing classes or balancing - it's pretty much a given that Mob Ai needs to be addressed before any skills or class balancing can happen. We can't put the cart before the horse. There is lots wrong or not working with every class right now, including my beloved JD, but I am under no illusion that tweaking skills or nerfing classes will really fix anything until they fix Mob AI. I think the best course of action is to push the Devs into fixing the Mob AI first before we can talk about balance. [/quote] Really wish they did before they hit the PW... As far as I have seen the PW is the only profession that the nerfs actually stuck on. I remember people complaining about cloak and such for others but nothing ever sticking.

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[quote name='Ryle' timestamp='1339385767' post='58710'] As a player who has played a PW since the first month of Live as a main... i couldnt agree more. Why nerf my profession doing what it does best? Its not like I can go mine some roids or even build many things... yea sure weapons, but cant even make them for 1/3 of the playerbase, jen weaps are restricted. So what do I do? Take a backseat to a hybrid class while they take away what the whole point of mine was? All because of the unneeded nerf? [/quote] Well not only that... The JD is doing things the PW couldn't even do before it was nerfed.

I would never say take the nerf bat to the JD because I don't like particular things that are going on in the game... I just hope at some point that "balance" happens. I know I definitely didn't like it when they beat the PW with it.

[quote name='Algaron' timestamp='1339383520' post='58698'] No. You can not pull a mob from 250k away, not in live and not in EMU. The maximum summon range for mobs is 6.5k without a buff. The thing they were talking about is double summoning, where another JD summons YOU from 200k away while you are summoning a mob. Its take a certain amount of skill to do this as well. I have said it before and will say it again. JD's are for professional players. Everyone else plays a progen. [/quote] That is what I meant... That is what I stated earlier in the thread I didn't think I'd have to reiterate it. It's not that difficult to do it, i have tried it several times myself just to see how easy it was. Just takes a little practice.

[quote name='Algaron' timestamp='1339382616' post='58691'] Agreed. The speed of cloaking is the problem right now. Nothing else. Even super fast cloaking will not let you escape damage right now - just mitigates it a bit. But there lots of cloaking issues. Group cloak isn't working correctly at the moment. Scan is broken. My JD's (and PWs of course) crit targeting is broken or turned off. And the double summoning is NOT an exploit. It is a skill and technique that is working as it should. [/quote] Is that how it was in live? JD's being able to pull raid mobs up to 250k from there spawn point? Because everyone I have asked said that wasn't possible. Makes me wonder, why?

[quote name='muse' timestamp='1339382248' post='58687'] Just to put my 2 quatloos in. I play a TS as my main, consistently, even from very early levels (like CL 5), I've been able to kite things well over 10 levels above me with a minimum of effort. No special abilities, no powers, just a matter of engine speed and the range on missile launchers. Things that could erase me in 10 seconds, I keep in a range where I can take my sweet time killing them. granted, it often takes me up of 10 minutes per mob to do so. As such, should missile launchers be range nerfed? should terran numbers for speed be nerfed? more importantly, will I be able to do this same thing at raid levels? I'm genuinely curious here, as it does seriously feel that my TS at CL 5 was far more capable than my PW at comparable CL. [/quote] Thats been addressed by giving mobs like GoBB range well beyond any ML...