Phorlaug

Yea I noticed a small change, but I also noticed something positive too. Its Not a bug I believe its intentional. Ask me nice privately I might tell you, then again I might not. Muhahaha   Well maybe we can get something else back :D , 2 seconds off the Psionic shield activation and/or 2 seconds off the Shield Leech activation and/or +15% Reactor Optimization and/or +20 Race Inherent Psionic Resistance (+20 Would go a long way). Before the rest of you non-Jens get your wedgy. I'm Joking ! Except to the former. "Two steps forward one step back."

Interesting. I guess I should of specified Bio or mechanical and level. NPC mechanical 3-5 levels above you. I would think that when you got down to the hull of an NPC that plasma would be less effective than energy. IIRC that was true for the RD base Station.   For Plasma where would you have your weapons fire rate/Damage? Two identical plasma weapons at the timing of DOT and Combat Cloak, 4-6 seconds LowDPS or One 4 sec and One at 7-9 seconds highDPS.   The shield damage isn't an issue its when the shield is gone, your Shield Leech is no longer a weapon. Its getting through the hull that will take a little more time and patients.   On my JD I don't wait for ALL my beams reloads to cycle, I wait for my twin 6 seconds to reload then Fire out of cloak, by the time I get back into CC my second set of beams have cycled reload. Basically I'm spamming CC every 4 seconds for a double damage on 1-2 beams. I use a LOT of energy but Energy Leech fixes that. I don't need a NPC shields to get its energy I wait just before it dies and get the energy I need for the next fight. Offen I wait for the Energy Leech to cycle while in CC before I finish off the NPC!   For a JE I would think that on the first attack: 1) Shield Leech, 2) Chimeara's 3) Fire Beams, 4) CCloak. Rinse and repete after every other reload and cycle. If the NPC still has a shield, after Shield Leech has cycled Hit the NPC again with Shield Leech  and fill your reactor for the hull fight. That would mean your fighting something of a much higher level. You may get better XP per minute per NPC if you hunted something smaller, but not as exciting. :)   Dam JE is fun  :w00t: I'll experiment with a good 4-6sec JE energy beam and a 9 second Plasma beam, it'll be fun.

As a Jenquai Explorer if I use Shield Leech as a third weapon for shield damage would you use 1) 4-6 second reload low/medium damage energy Beam and 1) 7-9 second reload Medium/high damage plasma beam.   What would your build and tactic be with Combat Cloak and Shield Leech?

Sneezebullshitsneeze ! No Religious playing JD wants to have their skills changed ! You are no Jenquai so says your Avatar Race and Profession.   I will say this about Psionic Shield, I am Ok with its strength it just takes to dam long for activation.   Weapons DPS should not be used as the sole reason for a Class or Races Kill rate and survivability in combat ! The use of ALL weapons and ALL skill usage should have a formula for total Damage AND making the NPC or Player (PvP) unable to use a weapon and or skill (Hack, Energy Leech, Shield Sap, Menace etc etc) You want to do better in DPS?, upgrade your Energy Leech, Menace, Hack or Shield leech or what ever.   Base Weapons DPS  from the warrior classes should be very close, I agree that the PW should edge the other warrior classes in DPS (per level per weapon) by a small margin. Only base weapons DPS. They have six weapons they should. BUT...   If either Class makes one mistake in combat the difference is a higher or lower Weapon/Skill DPS. You make a mistake or have the wrong character build your dead.   With those calculations ALL the warrior class should be Very very close in Combat kill rate and survibility. The use of their Skills, devices and the timing of use will be the KEY determination . Period ! The other classes will follow closely behind.   Its kind of like how a healers threat or aggro is caluclated.   This of coarse is based on every skill and device working perfectly as intended and that of your / their resistances.   All I have to say, DEVs is your doing right by me, take Smaller steps if your going to do something in reguards to balance. The last thing we want to do is two steps forward and one step back.

I think the Westwood DEVs were sitting around eating Sushi and drinking Saki trying to come up with a monster and One said:  

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I have to be honest here, But to my fellow Jenquai I'm sorry BUT I have not noticed anything different with Combat Cloak I'm still taking down L60s with some affort.   I of coarse I have a few good beams, Cloak modifiers, Plasma Debuff and Energy Leech to which I use religiously.   The only issue I have is with Psionic devices and modifiers, I can get my Psionic resistance to 50+ and I'm still getting Menaced. (+30 Equip, +20 Activated (JE) + Psionic shield.)   I will check tonight to see if anything has changed with double damage. I have been playing My Terrans as of late.   I suggest going up against a diffecult foe, first uncloaked and firing, take notice of the damage. then use Combat cloak then come out firing, take notice of damage.   Don't use a damage debuff, you want a controlled test.

Did both PLs and MLs I just did a Call Forward to get both Beams and MLs. Didn't care for them much so I did a CF(s) again to put the points back into Energy Leech. I you are duel-boxing 2 JDs one with Beams and one with PLs would be nice.   The PLs are fun but lack the killing speed and you take out the Class skill Combat cloak, I did the Projectiles with every possible item I could get my hands on that would enhance those PLs in every way, Range, Skill, Energy conservation etc etc.   One item I did not get was the "aa" item for PLs that may of made the difference. In solo combat if you didn't have to cloak they'd be fun but nothing more.   If you wanted to add Impact to your damage output with your beams that would be nice, But your still not going to be able to withstand a frontal assult with just PLs. To Cloak and shoot with just PLs your basically tickling the NPC prey.   If you had available to you, Enhanced PLs, Increased PL skill, PL energy Conservation, Increased PL range, and Projectile Force your killing power has gone up substantually BUT you will not survive a face to face fight.   I'll suggest a Combat Cloak Tactic for you. Spam CC with Plasma beams weapons after your initial Plasma debuff. Get Plasma Beams with different reloads 6-10 seconds your doing double damage faster than waiting for all your beams to cycle reload to fire again.   Add one Energy beam with a 4-6 second reload, Remember your doing Double damage with it. My initial observation is that the energy Beam does all its damage up front. Subsitute one of your weapons barrage for an energy leech or Martyr's. I can't work out the numbers right now i'm at work.

+1 Vitaes. We are in a discussion planning part of any PvP ideas. That may or May not be implimented in the years to come.   I wish I could remember a lot of my times in the EnB Arena. I don't remember any alterations of any skills or weapons damage when entering the Arena or didn't notice any changes.   Anyone Play World of Warcraft? Do you remember if there was a slash command or challenges something? I remember challenging members of the Alliance outside Stormwind, I can't remember how the battle initiated.   On another topic there was also a way to fight a test dummy IIRC and get stats, this I remember I did in Ironforge, I could be wrong.   But Kyp or someone said that the Damage to the NPC or visa Versa is different now then in EA Live exactly how IDK. That could change the need for some sort of PvP change in Damage output. IDK   For testing purposes. I say for the moment change nothing make a slash command two players want to go at it, let it be done.

1/17/2014 I use energy Leech almost as much as Combat Cloak I have gotten very proficient in its use.   If there is a JD that uses Energy Leech Sphere please check something I noticed, I need confirmation on.   When using Energy Leech Sphere do all weapons in your group and YOUR weapons as well as the NPCs weapons stop firing for a brief moment ?   It almost seems that everyones (NPC and Players) weapons firing rate slows or hesitates that is in the Sphere's AOE. Please check and confirm.

It would be cool if the DEVs could make something besides the " Test Ship" app on the Portal. Like a target dummy some where near the Raceway that could calculate damage and reaction times within a set time limit. The computer could display the totals and we could take a screen shots.

    I wasn't ready to jump back into this conversation right now but for this... For your first post you sure picked the the most sensitive topic. I / we have no idea what your all about, I have a thing of going back and reading the members previous post on other topic so I can better respond to their needs, suggestion or issues.   The PvP you suggest would be out of the question, I nor do any of the rest of this long time community plan to turn this into a turkey shoot, it would ruin this game.   Forget about Full PvP and any PvP you have previously played, we are trying to create something truely unique. I do not want Full PvP. Careful planning and concideration of Non-Pvp players is very important.   For the creation of a seperate PvP server, while it would be the best solution it would also be the most expensive. There are not enough PvP players to donate the funds to make the server economical. After a while the Hard core PvP players such as yourself would find the PvP we are trying to create some what lame Neutered and you would get board very quickly and scream for content that the DEVs and community can not justify.   Also for what you are suggesting I foresee the need for a seperate PvP Forum which is also not within the resources (DEVs, Web, and finances) we currently have.   As much as I believe there is a place for PvP within the EMU, just not what you are suggesting. This conversation has been going on for years and I have been a part of it for the entire time.

+1 for the latter

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For future reference and clarification , Are you saying IE 11 was the problem ? Or The forums can now be used using IE 11 because of a fix? Same Terrell, don't care for Chrome.

Testing google crome   Yep it works. The forums and or Windows 7 and or Internet Explorer 11 not good bed fellows.   Thanks Mimir.

I'm going to try what Mimir suggests. when I get back on the Win7 PC monday.   Testing google crome   Yep it works. The forums and or Windows 7 and or Internet Explorer 11 not good bed fellows.   Thanks Mimir.

I did not suggest multiboxing in PvP in any way. ---------- I stated do not use what is wrong with a another games PvP as an example of How Ours would be made or implemented. ---------- I am not pushing an Issue, I only know how exciting A well made PvP could be made with the positive input from all the players. The rest of the PvP Proponents have long since given up the idea that there would be a Non-Arena type PvP ---------- One thing I can not do is change Human nature. ---------- I know the outcome of a vote On PvP, I can clearly see that there is more than 75% of the community that does not want a playable PvP of any kind. ---------- I also see that no matter how I word the suggestions or ideas or how the concerns are addressed, I can not be convincing enough for PvP. ---------- I never nor has any PvP wanted or expected PvP next week, next month or next year. I know that it could be 1-2 years down the road I know that and understand ! Always have. I always wanted, needed and looked for your help to make an enjoyable PvP for all.   That has been the only thing I have been trying to do and it has been my motivation. When the time came for the DEVs to implement some kind of PvP, the frame work would have been already laid.   For Now, I end my attempt at trying to show or to convince those that PvP could coexist with PvE. Nor will I be convinced that there couldn't be a place for PvP in Earth and Beyond in the years to come.   Much Love Phor

Does anyone have a solution on how to fix copy and paste to the forums in a reply or post. And I can't seem to Quote another player on the forums.   Only on Windows 7 and Only on the EMU forums for me. I tried the advance setting in Internet Explorer 11, no Luck. I may of missed something, if you know I solution please share it. Very strange. Thanks.  test  

Mimir, Absolutely Fix "A-Gripe-a" (Agrippa). We don't want anything in game NOW uncompleted or not working properly as intended. On the topic of Agrippa is there ANYTHING in the items Buffs that would help in PvP ?   Although IIRC, there was talk of scrapping Agrippa a while back, but it looks like they are making a second push to make it work. I could be wrong mistaken.   Terrel, Every single item that could drop in PvP, currently drops in our Current PvE. The PvP items will be NO Different than whats in game now, EXCEPT for the fact that they will be harder to aquire and to Keep.   Daath, Kyp, has already said that: "Later on as we complete some other content first" No one PvP or other expected anything less and has been said that over and over again by the DEVs. Current Content first. Way back on another topic a DEV said that the Original EA/Westwood content may never get done or be many years before it is anything like EA Live.   Mimir, Post #19 in this topic explaines Risk, Loss, Drops and XP and implementations and Fixes of items Like See Cloak and Improve Cloak.   Post #27 Explaines mix race groups, why would anyone want to take Just PW or just Jenquai INTO combat ? You want to see a JD that's cloaked being a Jenquai with Max Scan or install an item (See Cloak) then I'll sacrifice an item For an "Improved Cloak". Game of chess, what will I need, who will I need? Post #27 also says that PvP Will NOT be perfect right out of the Box, to assume otherwise would be foolish.   Canman, If you had the possibility of your L140-L150 toon(s) going into the PvP Zone with the Chance of not actually doing PvP and getting 30,000+ xp you wouldn't do it ? Not even for the excitement?  I won't lie There is still a chance you could be Tagged PvP for attacking a Player, buffing a player or Debuffing an NPC. ANYONE Miner can mine any class can run Trade with the possibility of not Being Tagged PvP.   There have also been concerns on chat that have been addressed, but /ignore is still the best option.   A Vote On PvP would be Null and Void. LMAO, We have people voting up there OWN post 3-5 times on the forums, what's to stop anyone from logging in another account and making multiple votes on PvP? The average person including their guild has 4 accounts on the forums.   I am doing My very best by taking ALL the positive Suggestions from EVERY post that has ever been made on the subject, its been a daunting task. If you go back you would see that my suggestions have changed from post to post, because I am taking into account their ideas so that EVERYONE is happy. I'm doing my best so that there is balance between race, classes and PvE to PvP. I can only accomplish that with your help.    Don't think that the PvP that we are trying to make is ONLY Just shooting another player. We want to make this PvPvE much more than that. Do NOT use another game as an example for Our PvP.

I'm having a bit of Déjà vu with a comment made on another topic, I have seen that comment before. I didn't want to hijack the Advocates minutes post, so I bought my reply here in the PvP topic. Please if I sound like I'm mad LOL I'm not, I couldn't be more calm and collected.   Where would the PvE content end? And when would PvP content start ? (Rhetorical Question)   By the same instant some say they would leave, we would also get back a few others and gain a couple more. A Pvp is patient, a Pvp has never said I'm going to leave if we don't get PvP. We have been discussing PvP for years now. Am I or other expressing our anger. No. Only when they have been flamed and in defence.   Everything I have posted has been basically fantasy and will be until the day comes when we have PvP. I'm not angry I'm not hurt and honestly I won't be if we don't have PvP. I will still play I will still have fun. Its a game for Pete's sake !   I'm really at a loss for knowing why some PvP is bad for anyone person(s) when they have the controls and power to Mute, ignore and choose not to participate in PvP or player and still deny anyone else the pleasure and fun of PvP. We are designing With Positive input from everyone, a PvP that is and can be a truly unique and rare fun experience. Don't deny the DEVs and the community the chance to make something others (Players and Game manufactures) would truly enjoy playing or modeling their new Game after. Phorlaug, speaking Calmly with No malcontent, "Open your eyes Anything is possible if you believe and Help make it happen".

The most minimal system I could design and not have a favored trade path route and keep it ingaging and challenging. I could only do that with 5 sectors. Tlaloc is a sector a Player wanted to have use of for PvE it could also serve as a purpose for PvP. To remove PvP tag enter Station M42 Or exit Betelgeuse to Normal PvE sectors, chat restrictions will still be inplace until. /pvpoff.   [attachment=2809:5 System Pvp2.JPG][attachment=2812:betelgeuse.JPG][attachment=2814:Orion Nebula2.JPG][attachment=2816:Alnitak.JPG][attachment=2819:Alnilam.JPG][attachment=2817:Mintaka.JPG]   Above is the smallest PvP invironment and has been changed accordenly from their original state, and can be easily upgraded to include additional sectors Out Of Orions Nebula. (See: Sector Gate Under Construction).   The Best System has already be designed in another post. Large PvP System. <----- This play design Gain/Risk. <-----Would work for both.

Thanks for chiming in famine and Dragoncove. Please please don't assume that a PvP groups will be just Jenquai or just Progens or Only Terrans.   Mixed race groups are the norm now and will be in PvP. There is no limitations of defending or fighting any particular Factioned base in PvP. The uniqueness of combat with each of the Races will be one of the reason why you would attack that base.   I would want to mix it up a bit for the variety of combat and drops like we have now. To think that the PvP will be perfect right out of the box would be foolish. I would like to see for starters what the damage and debuff effects are right now against myself or another player.   Sure the Damage effects are probably higher to a player than an NPC BUT are they equally damaging? The effect on a players Reactor while in PvP will / should benefit us in making reactor combat against an NPC more apparent and utilized. When we know what it does to a player we can transfer the information to the NPCs AI and vulnerabilities.   Yea right Phorlaug patronization ?

I see your counter proposal Kyp and I am working on it and taking the ideas from previous posts.    Daath, Kyp the slash command /pvpon could turn off all other chat channels and at the same time make a player eligible for PvP, and they won't actually be PvP until they enter combat, buff or heal a PvP.  Redundant safety protocols ? If they enter into PvP all normal chat functions will automaticly change to /pvpon.   How will / should PvP be toggled off. When I answer Kyp Proposal I'll make the suggestion. I'm at work and this dam Windows 7 PC or my forum preference won't let me copy or paste from anywhere (Forum or Net).   Make no mistake I need, WE need the suggestions from the Non-Pvp Players on how to make it fun and still maintain the current PvE player environment while adding content for the Same Non-PvP people within the PvP area, WITHOUT adding another server.