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it also states that the public raids would start with the RD base...  not GOBB, so if that group had been put together, it would have taken it from VGE.  for any of this to even work to begin with ,  follow the raid line up schedule.. 

    thought this was already dealt with and the change over was yesterday?    where is this message group outside of this forum for the vote?    think we have all assumed this was just done and over with and we could all finally just move on

even the big 3 , had their OWN learning curve and had to learn these raids on our own...    wont be any different for the public raids.  you gotta learn somewhere, you wanted the chance to learn, now you got it.  take it and run

regardless of who went after BBG..  i only forsee this being an issue even more, if this is attempted every week where it affects all of us in the big 3 not just static.  then that means things are free for all if that is the case.  (not saying that is the case as of yet..  because supposedly things are being worked out but i reserve judgement on that one). 

what is actually a shame is that this has not already been handled and EG should already be in the rotation.  wayyy back in this thread when it started are several posts from various people in the big three stating anyone who can get the people together can attempt any raid out there..     now we have another guild that can..  and we have all this stink about it,   should be pretty cut and dry in my opinion,    can they do the raid and accomplish it.  yes.  there is our answer.    we are all adults here (least most of us)  and should be able to share our toys...

i thought we were all past this petty bickering.  its this petty bickering that fuels the fires and makes people like me not want to bother playing.    everyone just needs to get the heck over it and move the heck on (in polite terms)

i am game for it.  we need to get the rest of our own guild on board though, i have not been playing much as of late because of working alot of OT, and just needing to get away from the stress.  lol stress from a game.  yikes.  its about time we ALL get back to having some fun. 

when it comes to smaller guilds it still boils down to them getting the manpower to do it.  hence the reason this issue has been between the 3 big guilds, cause the little ones dont even try to attempt it and havent spoken up about it either. 

from what i can see...  you can dish it but you sure cant take it Sharpe.  you sit over there saying everyone's bashing static and you sit there and rant and rant.  do you speak for your guild leaders?  do you represent your whole guild in ALL of these comments posted in this thread?  if so. .  i would say your not representing your own guild very well.   

agreed Efi.  good summary Sleven!

there is no name calling.  no one has cussed at you .  but the conversation is not putting you in a good light...  so lock the thread!  <eye roll>    

i saw who was there...     so NO bubble to burst.    guess we each have our OWN rose colored glasses on then huh.      and VGE does not have a GM in our guild so dont know where that is coming from.    shady tactics are what are giving you a bad rep, your ACTIONS are showing it.  we already know your word means nothing right now.   it really shows that you guys really really need communicate amongst yourselves in your own guild and actually ALL be on the same page.

and Gropo made an excellent observation:   1. Killing the trigger and owning it - Makes sense in theory, but can be, has been and will be exploited. Let's be serious, this will simply turn into the three guilds designating a cloaked jen to sit at each trigger, take the kill instantly then worry about getting enough people there. Tell me you don't see this coming if this is the stance?       cause this is exactly what happened yesterday. 

you got the trigger, yes.    but does not mean it was yours.  is no friggen way you could have killed the rest with , what, not even a group there??    you dont kill the trigger unless you have your groups behind you to back you up once the raid starts.  anyone can kill teach.     its tactics like this..  that are BS.   you did not have a full group there, unless your fleet was cloaked... 

ok.  i might change my mind to Pecan Pie, and its Bloody Riz's fault!

Apple!

the smaller guilds have to step up and get a group together that can handle taking down the high end content.  i know there are those that want to participate but if your guild doesnt have the manpower to do it..  the other guilds cant control that.  i dont know about the other guilds... but we have trouble with trying to take to many that want to go from our own guild and having to cut back on how many we take due to lag issues and disconnects, the more you take the worse it is. 

its not realistic to think they will change the spawn to every 24 hours.   then your infusing to much of the elite loot into the system.  the overall concept of what james says is good and could potentially work.  thats if we all work together and act like adults and get past the hostilities and get back to the basics..  having fun.

having same issue no matter what account i log into. 

I remember that night well too.  was on vent when it happened and it WAS after midnight and Bell did get in teamspeak and spoke to someone from that guild ,  seems you guys just dont seem to communicate amongst yourselves well and share information when one of you speaks for all of you. 

i guess at this point, its a mute point Matt.  lol  because there is no longer any rotation amongst the bigger guilds who can generally handle getting enough guildies together to do the raid.  its FFA.  which means Free For ALL.  which means when the spawns up, the first guild ready to kill it, will.

Mir-  impossible to rotate time of day based on time of spawn varying to much.  way to much.  it was not to bad when it fell within the 48 hour mark.  but when it hits the 72 mark it went into someone elses rotation.  so basically impossible to set a specific time to do a raid in the current environment, imo

ffa = free for all= whenever its spawned its fair game for any guild that can get a large enough group of people together.  with the top few larger guilds, generally not a problem (i say generally because we all know there are times of the day that just dont work out between peeps at work or school or different time zones).  hence the fact that generally not enough room outside of a guild to take additional members.  least in ours i guess.  there are always, always, going to be people who whine they dont get bbg enough.  hell, i dont think we get bbg enough even when we were on the rotation, but that is only my opinion not everyones.  my point is, whether we have rotation or we dont... there are always going to be issues unless we try to be adults about it. 

This following joke could fit a few people.  (take no offense, just an attempt to input some humor into the situation lol)   Welcome to the psychiatrist hotline: If you are obsessive compulsive, press 1 . . . repeatedly. If you are co-dependent, ask someone to press 2 for you. If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5, and 6. If you are paranoid, we know who you are and we are tracing this call. Please stay on the line. If you are schizophrenic, please wait and a little voice will tell you what to do. If you are manic depressive it doesn’t matter what you do, no one cares about you anyway. TRY TO HAVE A GOOD DAY (the doctor will see you soon)

lol Sleven, rarely any more but i try!