efialtis
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The prototype Alpha drops another beam.
As far as i know the Amethyst Annihilator has never been around, yet.
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Never seen that engine or heard talk about it.
Assuming it never dropped.
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i think i know for which group/hulks/item you are referring to Redd.
As for keeping the hulks open i believe they are on a macro and its the time when their cargo is full so they cant pull more.
If you see that again i suggest contacting them and if they don't respond report them.
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In regards to your questions Holyman we did the best we could come up with at the time given the fact there seemed to be no inclination for a public representative for a while.
Thus with 3 raids we devised the 4 slot rotation meaning even one of the original 3 guilds would be without a raid for a week as to accommodate most everyone.
When DT came along it was a happy day cause that meant we all had something to do all the time.
Chat channels were buzzing with chatter about all these but few ever showed an interest to come to the forums and participate.
I feel thats normal for every game community, some get more involved than others who don't want to be bothered.
In the end i think we did a good job for the vast majority of the players given the fact that many expressed their opinion of leaving it as it is right from the start.
You can't please everyone all the time, right? Thats just human nature.
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I will say this one time and one time only. At no time was the Public invited to any of the meetings that made decisions on raid rotation. I was told that they did not know who to invite to the meeting; so they gave the public a spot. This is the facts.
Nothing else needs to be said on that.
You are correct Syber. When in previous threads about the rotation and adding the 4th slot we asked for someone to represent the public for some time, none stepped up.
I can dig up the specific posts if you think i'm making things up.
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It has something to do with how this old game interprets coordinates, think of it as an x/y axis. It cant understand negative coordinates.
At least thats my working theory.
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Make you Extended desktop monitors to the right of your main screen in your desktop management. See if that solves your problems.
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The force device drops from one of the zenshai mobs in yokan, i think CL40-42.
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Very well said Holyman.
One tiny correction so there are no misunderstandings.
It is up to whichever member(s) of "The Public" organises and leads the Raid to determine how loot will be distributed among the Public.
Don't want to leave room for interpretation on the point of named guild participants not claiming loot during a Public rotation raid, regardless if the organizer has a different opinion.
Alurra if EG, SCC or any one from Public in general didn't want change they shouldn't have brought this up and expressed themselves in no uncertain terms against the current Agreement.
Now that change has knocked on their door and is looking them right in the face seems they never had formulated a well documented opinion of how things could be better and the currently perceived injustice would be turned into a fair new system/agreement for everyone.
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Gunney (post #14, 1st page) you said that within the public about half of them raid 'every single flippin raid' while others do once or twice a week or worse once per 3-4 motnhs and thats because public has 2-3 times the people able to raid and a restructuring is needed.
Now when a restructuring is on the table you say you never asked for the further division of the players. So whats your plan to help those people in public that rarely get to raid?
You also said there is a Timezone issue that public doesn't take into account and i've shown you that within the 3 well organized guilds (BI/Static/VGE and i'm not saying others are not) that currently hold spots in the rotation, considerations are made for that because its easier to manage smaller more coherent groups than a disjointed collection of groups who each may see issues from a different angle.
Also (post #115, page 6) you state that with the exclusion of EG and SCC from Public the really low numbers of what is left will need to fill open slots via open server invite and its darn close to what you want.
Pestillence (post #23, 2nd page) mentions that if any of the original 3 dont have the numbers to do the raids without multiboxing they should step down of their spot and another take their place. Yet when spots were offered they were shot down.
Furthermore, while you don't want to punch a time clock to do a raid you say the ones that don't punch that same clock are creating a problem.
What all this boils down to is this:
You brought up the issue of the rotation agreement needing restructuring with various reasons. Yet when adequately documented alternatives were presented you just shot them down.
Stay for a minute then and think what will make things better. To come this far you should already have an idea of what things should be on your mind. Put it down in writing and document it, lay down the rules and how it will improve on what we have now while preventing the same issues of cropping up.
Some say free for all with no rules, lets put that down,
Others say leave the current agreement as it is, lets put that down.
Some might say leave the agreement as it is and add some rules, lets put that down.
Take my new proposition with its rules and put that down.
Take Holymans proposition and lets put that down as well.
Yes i'm a stickler for rules because i believe they give structure in our life and prevent the law of the jungle.
For me the devil is in the details.
Make your proposal and lets put it down with the rest, discuss what can be improved with each one and finally we can all ally ourselves with the one most people agree with.
As Kyp said he can help us by providing info directly into the launcher for all to see.
Bringing up an issue, not making any concise proposals of your own while shooting down the ideas that crop up will make me think it was all done so a few can get the spotlight.
Lets bring this issue to an end.Holyman since you're are doing a damn fine job seeing both sides of the coin i would like to ask you to gather all well documented plans that will/have shown up here and maybe come new year we can make a new thread were we can post all of them together for people to see and have a vote for selecting the one most will agree with.
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Where in heavens name you ever saw a system controlled by the players and enforced by the devs? You really must be joking.
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I applaud this prs fest. Well done Sir.
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Flamingpanda if you haven't been able to raid so far because of the number of people comprising Public group the further split up will make positions available to you that previously were not.
The restrictions and leeway i propose work towards benefiting the outsiders like yourself. See my answer to Gunney.
Still you vaguely say that 5 groups now (up from 3) control the endgame while i have proved you otherwise.
Now if you don't have any friends in this game to play with no amount of discussion can change your perspective. The raids were not designed to be completed by a single person. There is other content for that.
In the end what is your proposition and its advantages? i have made mine, can you?
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Appears my attempt to bring the community together for raids has only split it into more groups. The "Invites" to fill slots mentioned above would no doubt go to 'select people'.
Also no one has said much about those who are in time zones that don't see raids due to low server pop in their time zone. Do VGE/Static/BI schedule their raids so that those players can join in? I know the public does not.
"Be careful what you ask for" I herd this yet was not listening,
Lets break down your points of concern gunney.
'The "Invites" to fill slots mentioned above would no doubt go to 'select people'.
So i assume you're not in one of the named 5 and you don't have friends in any of them. Still the Public spot is yours and yours alone along with its loot and that loot is guaranteed to go to you if my plan gains traction. Still its up to the named 5 if they will even ask for outside help cause maybe they can singlebox every raid with their members alone as some have stated. Each guild is responsible for its own actions and the restrictions are to safeguard you and your equal opportunity, plus the leeway i'm promoting still might work in your favor and i hope you can see my design makes an effort to benefit the outsider.
'Also no one has said much about those who are in time zones that don't see raids due to low server pop in their time zone. Do VGE/Static/BI schedule their raids so that those players can join in? I know the public does not.'
I know for a fact that BI/Static/VGE make efforts to include all their players regardless of the timezone. Thats why the rotation switch date was changed so the whole weekend was available for better organizing to include them at least once per rotation slot.
If the Public makes no such efforts that is their problem to solve and you should take it up with them. You can't really expect us to be responsible for them do you?
Seems the gripe is with the way the public is managing its people and resources all along and i'm sorry to realise that so late in the discussion.
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Please explain to me why the 5 are more desirable. You haven't really said anything except it wouldn't work for you flamingpanda. Which content is created for specific groups? Also please read my Playground analogy and explain why it's wrong.
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Ok i will make my suggestion using Holymans as a groundwork.
Make a 6 week rotation with 5 of them towards BI, Static, VGE, EG and SCC and the 6th one to Public. Since you already stated that public raiding without EG and SCC is almost non existent i see no need atm for anything more.
Now for slots belonging to the named 5 (lets go with that for a sec) each of them is forbidden to include members of the other 4 but can include any number of people not affiliated with the named 5.
For example VGE is forbidden to include people from BI/Static/EG/SCC but can include eg from Phoenix and Lunar Dawn, EG is forbidden to include people from SCC/VGE/Static/BI but can include eg from Disciples of Rebellion and Team Relaxed etc
For the Public anything except the named 5 goes.
What this plan tries to ensure is that everyone within the named 5 gets the same chance for the fun and loot with even a bit more favor towards those that need it and maybe cant get it on their own (Public).
Now i understand if Public needs a bit of help for a bit to nail down the basics. Of course a gathering of 2 each of VGE/Static/BI/EG/SCC and 2 from other guilds is not considered a Public raid for rotation purposes. Public players should be in excess of 65% at all times. (eg 9 out of 12). Anyone within the named 5 can help but will claim no loot at all times. ALL the loot will go to the few Public attendees and its up to them to distribute it to the rest of their guild members.
If at any point the unique participants of Public regularly exceed the raids max capacity (2-3 groups) we can revisit the rotation.
We can even divide DT into a Scooter and a Genril raid so only one slot will be in 'off mode' during a rotation. Aso align them so those 2 are not consecutive raids for any slot.
Fair, Unfair, for who and Why? Discuss
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I feel we're circling this topic over and over again. I will try to explain it as simple as i can, i will use an analogy.
Some claim that 3 guilds own the 75% of the raids so lets try to break this down for you in simple terms.
This game has a finite number of raids just as a playground has a finite number of toys.
All the kids in the neighborhood want to go to the playground and enjoy the toys like all E&B players want to do the raids.
I understand some raids are more desirable than others being by simple preference, loot usefulness or just loot quantity. Same in the playground, some kids like some toys better than others or in a given day they want to do just one thing or there is even a toy they don't like.
Like i have mentioned before, unfortunately in E&B the current game design cant support a high number of people concentrated in a single area and that is unlikely to change as long as the devs don't have any control over an important game element, the game client.
Similarly there are only so many of the spring riders or swing seats or of the sliders etc in the playground.
If the kids were left unchecked to just do whatever they please all the time imagine what would regularly happen in the playground.
Same in E&B and thats where the rotation agreement comes into play. It splits the kids into groups and says you kids can have the swings this time while the other group of kids gets the spring riders etc consequently all the kids get something to do instead of fighting over with each other.
Its my understanding some kids will be doing something they might don't prefer to do or even something they don't like one day (rotation slot) BUT they will get to do that the next time (another rotation slot).
But ALL kids get to play in the playground and regularly get to do the fun things they want.
Please explain to me in simple terms what your objection with that is and how the groups of kids who participate in this plan are owning the playground as you claim.
For the rare kid who only wants to be a bully and fight in the playground and will go push another kid from the swing so it can take its place guess what happens. Even if it doesn't get punished for what it has done it will end up alone in the swing with no one to boost him.
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Here are my observations and deductions from Gunneys and GHMs posts.
- There is hardly any public left to raid after you remove EG and SCC from the equation. In spite of that those two guilds still make up more than BI, Static and VGE combined according to your calculations.
- Raids are better done from those that can 'speed run' them plus conveniently forgetting the current messed up state on debuffing equipment and how much it affects the raids. Classic example of mine is bigger than yours childish mentality. And finally
- I am correct in my observation that those vocal about change and 'wasted' opportunities are those who already raid with the knowledge and equipment to do so, they just want a bigger pie.
GHB for your information i too have watched a Public raid getting abandoned and most everyone on Genril regularly just kills him with all the other mobs left untouched. This is exactly the vendor side of the raids Holyman reported and i don't think anyone has been innocent of that.
As for not being able to field raids without multiboxing from my admittedly limited experience with PRS and Publicly organized raids i have seen enough of multiboxing as well as direct statements from you that you will bring your 2 eg TEs with who you are so good and uber. Maybe i'm just so unlucky that i haven't been to many that all were single boxing or just maybe its that selective memory of yours in play again.
Please spare me from the 'Protectors of the weak' speeches unless you're running for office, then by all means continue and see how many you will fool.
Holyman i feel your proposition should be discussed further.
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Holyman i agree with enough of the points you make.
Yes certain people camp specific spawns like Modis child, Celestial Warder, Desash the Plague etc. If you been around those spots enough times i'm sure you'll notice a few toons that will regularly be there and most likely they have more than what they need of the loot by now. Some of them might even be kind enough to give away, share or sell. Nothing guarantees though it will be them who will get to kill the mob. Its perfectly simple so that anyone can go out there and compete. Sure you might not manage to be on top every time but you are guaranteed to get the mob once in a while so if you want it enough you will make it happen.
I've done my share of that for myself and others. I will go there and kill Desash, Modis Child or Warder enough times that will satisfy my needs and my friends needs and then you wont see me again for months until another friend will need some of that loot. Even those that camp regularly cant be behind the monitor 24/7. On the other hand i see people complain about it but not willing to do what it takes to get what they want in those spots. I'm not saying 'Area Denial' is a commendable practice but so is waiting for things to just happen to you without putting any effort, even in a game.
As for the raids, they are both a high end content experience and a loot vendor, i sincerely don't think anyone tries to exclude other people from them. The simplest way for me to show you that is tell you that whenever we pioneered a raid (like VGE did with RD base and the DT spawns) we never held anything back. We actually shared our observations and experiences with the community so we could all benefit. I believe that to be true for all groups/guilds involved with the very first raids that were done in the emulator and whether you like it or not it has always been Static, BI and VGE plus there were no agreements around at the time so it could get really competitive.
The funny thing with those who are vocal about change and 'wasted' spawns is the fact they are the same people who already raid. Because they would have promptly dispatched the raid meaning they have the knowhow and the gear to make short work of them. Those are probably the same people that will be vocal about the PS and TS being able to make their own ammo (nothing more than a minor inconvenience) and the devs will add the new skill. Will kill a mob 10 times and complain they didn't get the drop they wanted and the devs will adjust it, only to revert it back after a short while, Will complain because Lyle wasn't giving his missions for the new DT devices to the TS and the devs would oblige, even when it makes perfect sense since bogerils hate terrans etc
If you can think of a method that means raids are actually done by people with little to no experience and who really need the gear i will support it.
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This is a pure load of crap. Epic jumped through those hoops long ago and we were still denied a rotation spot. It was not until the "public" started taking the raids that the public spot was put in place.
I remember in the previous thread about the rotation i commended epic for keeping their cool and not doing anything rush. I don't seem to recall some1 'taking' the raids but if thats what you wanna remember sure. I actually urged towards another slot in the rotation and being accepted so yeah i call bull as well.
I think Overt nailed down a major point in his post. I too believe there are a few greedy people out there with 12-15-20 or more toons and they feel they are entitled to have raid loot for their 2nd TE, their 4th PW or their 3rd JD instead of giving a rats ass about the one that doesn't have one even for his 1st toon. And even when they have equipped all of them they will still hoard and try to make ridiculous exchanges for that single item that god forbid hasn't fell into their lap yet. Those are usually the most vocal, don't ask me why and I agree its a small community so thats why these behaviors stand out. Neither politeness nor altruism can really be enforced or governed, you either have it or you don't.
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Check if you are logged in @net-7.org then try the DB again, just type manticore and press search button
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Look up in the DB for the parts you need and after you have them ask in market channel for a builder.
I'm sure someone will be happy to make one for you.
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Christmas is upon us and honoring its spirit VGE is opening its RD rotation week to everyone, so grab your friends and do it or grab whoever you can find and still do it as long as everyone has fun.
Merry Christmas from VGE.
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Gunney thank you for the explanation. I'm not a programmer but i know enough to find that the player wipe aspect of a timer change is highly improbable.
We have seen with a simple server patch/restart alterations to specific mobs/mini bosses timers with no wipe and i fail to see how raid triggers could be much different in that regard.
Honestly even if parts of the server were recompiled with the new time adjustments that wouldn't change the way the DB, that holds all the player/game info, is read. Even new Skills were added without sacrificing the player base. Just really curious.
@Syber
What in Valen's name are you talking about. :P Best Scifi show ever!
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Yes unless its debuffed it wont even take any damage.