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  1. Posted

    Holyman

    This forum and most peoples' Chat Logs are replete with examples of what happens when one of "The Big Three" encroaches on the Raid Entitlement of one of the other "Big Three".

     

    But what happens if any spontaneous Public Group, Multi-boxer, or non- "Big Three" Guild takes down a Raid that is currently allocated to one of the Triumvirate?

     

     

    It is not and never was my intention to spur on a revolt to the current system.  Just tossin that out there  =)

     

    To me it seems that in the past when a trigger was taken "Out of turn" there were some underlining past issues that were brought to the surface, or possibly those issues/arguments were the reason of the trigger being taken?

     

    Alurra

    The issue I see with the 'change on a Saturday' thing is that the rotation was changed to a Monday to allow the raiders the weekend to get their collective butts together in the first place. Allowing for different time zones and such to collaborate over the weekend when most folks are off.  There were multiple complaints previously when the rotation ended mid weekend specifically for that reason. Going backward hardly seems like a good solution for going forward

     

    Then what if it was done the other way, rotation slots are reserved for the weekend only, giving that guild/group the chance to schedule for their group.  Durring the week, when fewer people are in game leave it 'open' to all

     

    The triggers will be watched, I seriously doubt any 1 person, or small group of people would be able to take a trigger without others knowing.

     

    As Ive said before, when the trigger spawns for public, there is a 'call to arms' so to say, people show up form groups and HAVE A GOOD TIME. I fail to see why this method would "Fall into chaos" if it was to involve everyone on the server. Is there something about VGE  BI  or Static that cause issues???

  2. Posted

    Traderben

    Is there a council of some sort that discusses these things?

     

    The leaders of  BI  VGE  and VGE  and I believe 2 from the Pub Group, meet when there is an issue, I do not think they would discuss any 'radical' changes that would alter their spot in a rotation.  Im asking for input from ALL players on the matter, not the select few.  As I stated above Im not looking to overthrow the system or cause issues, But if changes are due then I feel a discussion on it BEFORE things get heated or chaotic would be better.

  3. Posted

    Phorlaug

    The root of the issue (I know your going to hate this), Multi-boxing

     

        Yes, it is possible for 1 or a few people to do the raids multiboxing, but do you really think they would? Or that they would have the chance? The 'Public Group' is a melting pot of many guilds, over the past few years we have not had an issue with multiboxing. No one/few players have taken the spawn and left the rest without. In fact, if someone is dual boxing and another person shows up, that player drops one and the new player steps in.

    *If* the community decided to drop the rotation, it would be like adding 3 guilds to the pot, Is one of the members of these 3 guilds the one who will do the multiboxing takeover?

     

    Phorlaug

    Open raid bidding on the item you want is a great credit sink, If you know how and have the patients to pull it off.

     

        Then the ones with the credits will control all the loot

     

    Phorlaug

    Sure it is perfectly normal and expected for a guild to reserve 1 item from a raid they are sponsoring.

    just let everyone know ahead of time.

     

         I like this   I have no issues with reserving an item for the guild whose week it is. however we would need to take another look at the guilds and their active members then adjust accordingly.

     

    Cimbad

    good opionions im seeing here,thank you guys for keeping this topic mature...

     

    I agree, thanks for keeping it a discussion

  4. Posted

    Murfree

    Another post here stated that the Public couldnt get enough players to Raid all the time, and I would beg to differ, that usually there are more than plenty that show up and more often than not, there is no multi boxing going on.  Maybe the looter is multi box or something, but for the most part, there is plenty of participation from multiple guilds.  There are some times, the second something spawns, later at night, that a few public people try to get a raid together and shout in General and in the end never raid until the next day, but that is not the Norm and could give the perception that the public still sucks at

     

    The Public can do any raid out there, as long as it is between 6PM-9PM EST.  After that there arent enough Pub in game and the trigger sits untill 6PM the following day

     

    Murfree

    I do agree with Syber, that timezone issue for some players is rough, but honestly, with any MMO, this issue will exist.  If you want to raid and roughly the raids happen at the same time of day, either make it or dont.

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  5. Posted

    For the record,  I am not out to piss people off or throw things into an uproar.

    Most of those who replied I do not know in game, at least not by their posted name.

     

    I get into raids when I can, once a week, twice a week sometimes, other times not for several weeks.

    There are those like Pest who may see a raid every 3-4 months.

    And there are those who are at every single flippin raid, over half the Public group fall into this

     

    I know someone will say "That's something the Public group needs to work out".

    Well If that were possible perhaps. However when the Public group has 2-3 times the number of players with a raid able toon as each of "The Big 3" do,

    then perhaps restructuring of some sort is needed.

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  6. Posted

    Holyman

     

    "If it's a choice between an Order that is generally effective, understood and comprehended, however imperfect or anachronistic that Order is...

    Or Disorder.

    I'll take the imperfect Order any day of the week."

     

      I agree with this, but that doesn't mean adjustments cant be made as dynamics change

     

    "Maybe the idea of "The Big 3 Guilds" is a bit past it's sell-by date, because it's more like 15 or 20 guildies on-line max at any one time that is now the qualification for a "Big Guild"

     

       Server Population has changed, and Static/VGE/BI, other guilds, and non guild populations have as well.  'Balance' would req sorting the numbers and coming up with a new plan. Time Zones are an issue as are players ability to play at reg times.  Only Devs have the info needed for this, and they have stated they will not partake in the situation. 

     

    Prre

    " opening up the spawns to a free for all WILL result in a select few taking all "

     

     I do not want that, and it has come to my attention that the server isn't adult enough to "Play nice" together

     

    " As i have said in the past this system works just fine"

     

    It works, Yes,  through community pressure on those who dont follow the "rules"

    Just fine?    At the time the system was drawn up, Yes  100% agree.  Now, I do not.  

     

     

    Hobies

    "Well put Prre - I think you've said about all that I'd want to say at this point on the subject.."

     

     At this point? Is there something your waiting for someone to bring up? Or something you dont want to mention and hope it doesnt get brought up?

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  7. Posted

    "Be careful what you wish for."

     I know this all to well, which is why I made the post looking for other perspectives

     

    "who can get formed up first and get the raid done..."

     Forgot about this one, and I do recall when BL would spawn several bosses in a secter that you couldnt get an invite to a group. The groups would be of a single guild or multiboxed.

     

    "I don't think that the rotation is the issue, but a time zone issue."

     I feel it is abit of both, If a spawn were to happen in the PST time zone, there really arent enough online in each of the 4 groups to pull it off. Now if it wasnt restricted by the rotation then the entire online population may be able to do it.

     

    "Keep it as it is"

        Its not a poll, Im not out to remove it, but I do feel there is room for improvement and Im looking for thoughts or Ideas from others

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  8. Posted

    "Here we go again"

    Lets get that one out of the way first........

     

    There are no current issues between groups or individuals going on that I am aware of, therefore they would not be a factor in a discussion.

    Things have changed since the rotation was put in place, the server is not as it was then

    The issue on the rotation has popped up several times, but it is never discussed. Its simply swept aside as a parent would dismiss a child when interrupting an 'Adult conversation'. I chose that comparison because that's how MANY of you act on matters of the game, that your opinions are what matters and others know nothing worth listening to.

     

    "If you remove the rotation, the multiboxers will take all the spawns"

    This is just silly and a crappy reply to the issue. If multiboxers were an issue then the rotation would do nothing to stop them.

     

    "You don't want it going back to the way it was before the rotation, BL almost shut it all down due to the fighting and bickering"

     I agree at the time the rotation was a viable solution to the issue, But do you really think things are now as they were then? Do you really think there would be fighting? Id like to think that with a rough age average of over 50years old that wont happen, and the spawns are nothing new.

     

    "Greed Plain and Simple Greed"

    OK  Sure Id like to do more raids, but there are two sides to the coin on this one. Currently, each week the Guild controls when their raid is done, yes Public does the same 7PMish EST like clockwork. By removing the rotation each group would loose their control on raids, and they don't want that to happen now do they

     

    "Why don't you just use the Public Raid Sector"

    The PRS is open to all, never know when it will be opened up, the community has to work as a group to take down a raid, Awesome Idea!!  So why isn't this mentality applied to the other raids?

     

    "Why don't you do the GR/FB?"

    Another 'Open to all' option,  are there any fights/issues/problems there?

     

    PRS/GR/FB have tossed into rotation topics in the past as an option for those who oppose the rotation, if they are OK for everyone at any time why not ALL raids?

     

    "The Big 3 held a meeting on the matter"

     3 years ago you guys were the largest guilds, when was the last recount? of active players that is, not in game toons. And how many are members of several guilds?

    Now don't get your panties in a bunch, I understand ALL that the guild leaders have done for the game, it wouldn't be where it is without you guys and your efforts.

     

    The server isn't where it was then, we are at an average of about 80 on per day, 120ish on weekends. The few times the PRS has opened up it has taken abit to gather enough to form a group. There are several on at hours 'other than the main server population' who haven't done many raids because the spawn has been taken down or their 'rotation group' isn't big enough, and there are those who rarely miss one, and  those whom the raids are at times put on hold for.

     

     

     

    OK, there it is. I have opened "That Door" once again.

    Aside from those who will bash me or seek to have me banished for doing so, what are your thoughts on the rotation?

     

     

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  9. Posted

    The whole AA in the certain roids every restart couldn't be a bug, I mean Im no computer guy, but that would be saying that each and every roid has its own spawning parameters, wouldn't it be 1 'code' all of them run off of?  And if that/those few were different, then their code must of been changed

     

    /conspiracy theory mode off

     

    Matt, I was clearing fields not for a 'timer' effect, but simply for a fresh respawn. Figuring the roid contents are determined by 'a random roll whose result pulls the ore/item from a list',   the more ya mine, the more they respawn, the more chances of hitting a good number on the random table.

  10. Posted

    Having spent some time 'clearing' fields and sitting watching them Ive found that in the time it takes me to clear a field 2-3 times it has 'reset' itself at some point.  This does essentially the same thing as mining it out (and takes less work)

    Therefore, unless you need some ore or lvls from mining, the most efficient way to find an AA seems to be warp in>scan>warp to the next field, the basic restart drill

    Given the odds of finding one after a restart vs normal time mining Id have to assume there are 2 different formulas for the spawning

    Then there's the possibility Im a complete idiot and have no clue what im doing.....

     

    Broken or As Intended ?   Only the AA gods know for sure......

  11. Posted

    I have been mining in a "safe" location, 7-9 'rockey' roids for awhile now off and on. Turning over the field to get 'fresh spawn' roids with no sign of an AA.  I have gained over 20 lvls on the 3 toons Ive used to do this with  JE PS TS, all OL 150.

    I have been told that an AA has not been seen from this field

    This may not be enough time to verify anything but I am now moving to a more 'hostile' field where I have found an AA(restart).

  12. Posted

    As it is "AA's" seem to be found only after a restart. When there is a restart everyone rushes to the fields, scans, then moves to the next field.

    Given the increased chance of one showing up, and the increased scouting for them it may be why they are found at this time.

     

    What if they didn't show as "AA's" on a scan but as a single piece of ore? When you did mine one it wouldn't stack with the other ores of the same name and the refine terminal wouldn't accept it (or would strip the ore from around it), then you take it to Raven for ID. 

    Would it be possible to change the pic for them? The name?   Granted this would make them even more on the rare side, perhaps an increase in the spawn rate?

  18. Posted

    Credits have no value in the game, why would you need to have a sink?

     

    If you have that many that it bothers ya, give them to a GM

    If everyone else having more bothers ya, get over it   They don't care about them

     

    I have yet to see anyone in game ask for credits and not have several people send them more than they need

  22. Posted

    From what I have herd AA's only spawn on restarts, no one has claimed to of found one 24+ hrs after a restart

    With all the mining people do in game seems to me that it should be more common for them to pop up during "Normal" game time

    This of course is assuming that each AA has a straight % chance to spawn with no specifics attached.

  24. Posted

    I herd that AA's had been 'fixed' on spawning after a restart, Has anyone found one 24+ hrs after a restart or by repeated clearing of a field?

    Are they ONLY in the 'rocky' roids?  Ive herd of them coming from gas clouds also but not sure if that is a myth

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