Reading thru all the pages from the first post to the end here was facinating. I only did it as I kept seeing market chat about Agrippa builds, etc. I stopped playing the game at the first of the year (could not use hands for a while after a motorcycle boo boo), and only returned, playing a little here and there the last several weeks. All my toons were maxed out 150s (cep for the "item holding" toons I have in prisoned at Joves). I made 3 new toons (PS,JS,TS) so I can have every type of toon maxed, and was considering if I should jump into the pit with this Agrippa stuff. All of your comments have been helpful (I really enjoy Matts stuff). I've never liked puzzle games, and have always wanted to race to the top of maxing out characters in "whatever" game I play (space or war or racing games) <<< my top 3 ..... For those of you that like puzzles, etc this is great. EnB has something for everyone, which is why it's such a great game. I haven't been one to enjoy stopping to smell the roses along the way. I'd rather trample over them on my way to the top tier level stuff. After getting an idea of what this is all about (Agrippa topic), it doesn't seem interesting for me personally (although I can see how some folks will relish in this challenging stuff). It's just not me. I'm going to whip my 3 last toons to the top. I've never spent a lot of time even messing around with mid level equipment (EnB) while roaring to the top level stuff, which is the only stuff I put emphasis on. That's just me. I'm not saying this is the best way or only way to approach EnB. It's how I do it. I rarely do what I've done here (spend an hour reading a forum topic). I get games to PLAY the game, not read forums --- that goes for any game I get involved in. There are only so many hours I can put into the gaming side of having my fun for the day, and I'd rather play. I do thank all you who have taken the time to give your input on this topic, as it has definitely helped me figure out how I will "PLAY" my last 3 toons to max out. Good luck on fooling with this stuff, whomever enjoys this kinda game play. See you out in the sectors, beating the tar out of the high level Mobs.