HellHasArrived
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Well... Even with the PW getting that full heal from that group sapping sphere, the people that are doing the healing are still doing so no matter what. Just like me they don't notice that full heal from the sap also. For all they know it's their heals that is giving their shields that juice.
Having been one of the people in the raids to kill GoBB... It usually takes us about 3 healers and 2 dedicated hull patchers for the tank to survive that raid. Has people done it with less? Yes. Hasn't been us though, and how they do it I have no clue. -
Okay... I will say this as rationally as I can. How is getting a full heal of the shields every 21 seconds game breaking? On high end mobs that full heal of the shields gets wiped out in the matter of seconds. Long before the PW can even use the skill again. The only thing that will keep it going is constant heals and hull patches from supporting group members. Like Will stated earlier the group sap is mainly used for the DPS not the actual shield return itself. When you put the timer up to 2 minutes which you stated either in this thread or another, it was pulled out of the air. Anyone who plays a PW knows that when fighting bosses you can't rely on your sap alone to keep you up in a fight. That is all I have to say on that.
P.S. To be honest while in a raid I never noticed my shield being completely refilled by the max sap. Kinda busy fighting and taking massive amounts of damage to see it.-
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[quote name='rabidcajun' timestamp='1317226461' post='46791']
just curious if any of the devs have a PW to try and kill some cl50+ mobs since the "adjustment" to shield sap. in paticular whoever actually adjusted it to the way it is now
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Yeah use transfer you will get the actual time...
L7 area sap takes a little time to warm up before it goes off... Transfer casts much faster if you have sap maxed out. Gives you a more accurate time on cooldown. -
[quote name='RojoMuerte' timestamp='1316998327' post='46644']
To correct some of the statements above. The 2min timer was on the same mob trying to resap. You could target another mob and sap after the normal 12sec (might be 14sec) reload/cooldown timer.[/quote]
Only if you use transfer and not area sap... Obviously you don't play a PW, or you would know its 21 seconds on the timer not 14. -
Shield sap doesn't make the PW invincible at all... Even when it was on a 14 second timer my PW still died regularly if he didn't have constant heals. The PW was never able to solo any of the raid bosses ever except Troller and GoBB before they were changed. The JE shield leach is more deadly then the PW's sap, but because that replenishes reactor and not shields it will never be nerfed. Nevermind the fact that a few applications can kill a handful of 40 bio mobs very easily.
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[quote name='Mattsacre' timestamp='1316287884' post='46223']
Actually, you're on to something there! Maybe if all PW boycotted tanking, the TE and JD could enjoy the tank roll for a while, let the JD stand up toe to toe to a boss mob and enjoy the pain, goes for TE as well, could be problematic for a TE to tank and have beamers have to break formation all the time to get in range....
Whatever the problems, let them enjoy it and then have other classes whine and moan how OPed they are, and it just is so EVIDENT its not FAIR that their (insert explorer/trader type here) don't out dps the NEW tank! Let THEM scream for nerf bats and skill mods etc., after the new tanks get a taste of the silly season the PW might not get so much grief. Let a few raids fail (hopefully spectaculary!) for lack of PW standing in to take the crap, let the non-combat toons solo their CL without a Pw to speed the process (what? well why won't you come level me? But I NEED CL and jobs are so SLOW!), maybe then they will quit bitchn and itchn, and get behind a brother for a change instead of advocating for a nerf.
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That won't really matter because the people who don't even like PW's will roll them so they can have a meatshield in the line up... -
I can say build weapons is better to have then not have as you will be building a lot of ammo... If you don't mind having to trade them over constantly then yeah I guess it's fine.
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Shield inversion does have its uses... It's just not a priority.
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You can hold off on engines for awhile as speed isn't your main concern...
My PW used a L5 Puk's Wing for a long time... -
Beam - 1 (default)
Missile - 0
Projectile - Max
Enrage - 1
Gravity Link - to 5
Repair Equipment - 1
Self Destruct - 1
Shield Inversion - 7 for faction grinding then cf back if you need the sp's
Shield Sap - 7
Combat Trance - 7
Critical Strike - 7
Damage Control - 7
Build Weapons - 7
Device Tech - max
Engine Tech - max
Reactor Tech - Max
Shield Tech - Max
Thats basically how I have my PW... -
And we wait...
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[quote name='Taallonn' timestamp='1314884917' post='45489']
The only issue i see with the JS atm is the reduction from lv 9 engines to lv 8. That shouldn't have happened. As a trader class they should have the highest engine level. Gaining lv 9 devices really doesn't help as most as useless and not worth the point investment.
Dropping engine build, yeah I can see that, keeping reactor builds though seems more in line with the JS combat focus of helping their group maintain reactor recharge. I can't see giving them prospect at all as there are 3 mining classes already. What would be the incentive to play any of the other 3?
Most the JS abilities seem inline with what the class should be but giving them skills innate to terrans or progens isnt a good fix ie hack, bio repression, shield sap or anything like that. Increasing their race specific skills might be more useful and make more sense, higher lv cloak, fold space, summon, actually now that i think about it adding summon would be more beneficial to the JS than adding say psi shield (with shield recharge it's not really needed, plus that seems more of a JW specific skill, imo).
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I think you have a good point, but I also think Terrel has a good point as well... The Seeker has no specific devices for it yet, and until they do you have no idea whether them having l9 device tech is a good thing. -
[quote name='Lobevaser' timestamp='1314901044' post='45509']
How about a total new race .... lets say a V'rix Recon.
Then we can fit him or her with all level 9's .
All build skills and have a AOE mining laser that will mine ore and hulks with in the scan range.
(puts on flame proof suit)
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How about 40 cargo slots, 6 weapon and device slots while were at it?
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Except it would make it a miner trader with a large hold and beams so no need for ammo... JS 40 cargo slots and negotiate to the JE's smaller cargo hold and no negotiate. Which would you choose? That's why traders don't have prospect. If that's what you want roll a TS.
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Is the class flawed yes, but the same can be said of the TS and PP... Granted the JS might be the most flawed of the 3, but lets try to be reasonable with are requests as to what we would like done to help make it a better class. I don't think telling them it's "so bad that it's TERRIBAD" and that they just need to delete it and start over really helps. A lot of your criticisms aren't constructive or helpful at all.
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[quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1314868553' post='45469']
Elaborate.
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Why should I be elaborate... You want to give this class 3 l9 techs. Why them? When no other class does. That's like giving a Jenquai l9 projectiles, it just doesn't fit with the way the game was made. Why don't you elaborate as to why they should be the only class to get that. Talk about balance issues. Once you start doing things like that you open a can of worms for other classes asking why they can't have 3 l9 techs. I'd like to see you dispute that. -
[quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1314822158' post='45416']
Patterns some people seem to see need to be disregarded for balance purposes...
Otherwise all crazy things can be thought up like the TS with build engines or the PP with 5 weapon slots + L5 crit.
The JT needs to be deleted and started from scratch with a radically different approach...
Device tech 9
Engine tech 9
Reactor tech 9
Shield tech 8
L9 beam weapon
L8 missile weapon
L7 Hacking (remove from TW and TS as it's useless on them)
L7 shield charging (remove from TT, it is overpowered on it)
L7 recharge shields
L7 psi shield (as originally intended)
L5 negotiate
L5 scan
Cloak but a different version that is castable on self or group member and lasts for a certain duration
L7 build weapons
L7 build devices
L7 build drones (as in the janus docs and build terminal)
L7 build components
L5 prospect (weak version of prospect that will handicap it vs real miners. Also the PP is in league with warriors, why not let the JT be in league with miners? It is not like it can do a whole lot as a trader in combat nor can it do a great deal in stations as a builder)
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So you basically want the JS to be the ultimate class... -
Jenquai don't build shields for the same reason Progens don't build engines, or the Terrans don't build reactors...
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PT with L8 reactors would be almost useless...
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[quote name='Terrell' timestamp='1314505117' post='45314']
Yeah, Illusion is primarily meant as a defensive skill, but I'd have no problem with it being altered in such a way to make it dual use. Cloak & Fold Space on Jenquai are both dual use skills, I have no problem with Illusion having both offensive & defensive uses.
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Well I would rather have shield recharge over hull patch, but that's a trader only skill... I still think they need a better offensive skill then hack. I didn't even bother putting points into it. The illusion skill that Terrel talks about sounds intriguing, but that sounds like a defensive skill. The TS has no problems taking out a mob higher in level then themselves. It just takes forever doing so.
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My mistake they made the shield manufacturable... They changed it since I last looked at the database. I may take a look at it now.
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If I'm not mistaken the Hyperian shield is non-manu... Which is the only reason I don't use it, because I can get better buffs from devices and what not. Solo combat on the TS is grueling slow just like a TT without shield recharge. I can imagine if they followed the 3 4 5 weapon mount configurations that the Jenquai have. Meaning the TS would only have 3 missile launchers which would make combat even slower. I do believe they need some type of combat skill other then hacking to balance it out for solo combat. As it stands now it is in my opinion the weakest solo combat class. Even though the JE has fewer weapon slots it has a great combat skill in shield leech. Also the ability to use combat cloak helps them out a great deal as well. I had a much harder time leveling up my TS in combat then my JE. It wasn't till I reached cl40 on my JE that I actually struggled to get combat levels.
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