Wildrosey Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Mir- impossible to rotate time of day based on time of spawn varying to much. way to much. it was not to bad when it fell within the 48 hour mark. but when it hits the 72 mark it went into someone elses rotation. so basically impossible to set a specific time to do a raid in the current environment, imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsacre Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Here let me stir it a bit :) What happens if a non-compact guild/group actually gets it together enough to "KS" another big guilds "rights" on "their" GoBB/troller turn? Does the guild that finds raid not spawning when they "own" the raid time slot get to sneak one off another guilds "owning rights" day to make it up? Do they just have to suffer and tough sh*t? Does throwing off the spawn order get some retribution from other "owner" guilds? What if a compact guild does sneak one away from another? Does the non-compact group get some kind of punishment from compact guilds for having the temerity to interfere with their raid spawns? I'm sure there is more :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildrosey Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 i guess at this point, its a mute point Matt. lol because there is no longer any rotation amongst the bigger guilds who can generally handle getting enough guildies together to do the raid. its FFA. which means Free For ALL. which means when the spawns up, the first guild ready to kill it, will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimir[IS] Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 OK fine...Not the correct spot for this topic but...I think it is ever so cool: http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-REVISED.pdf http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-to.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhir Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 If Static thinks they were getting the shaft before....... don't give bon bon and his merry minions a reason to organize. you won't like the outcome. Builders, by sheer numbers will put a stress on the raid timers, but the evil empire will rise strong! Hahahaha... Seriously, pulling out of the rotation will only lower the opportunities everyone has for loot and adventure. /sigh pixels fighting over pixels...... again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pakkrat [N7LA] Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Are you all SURE this isn't newsworthy? I've been told not to touch this topic over the Net-7 News, yet the more attention it gets from pilot-players, the more I want to go paparazzi on the trigger spawn points. Enquiring minds deserve the truth! Power to the press! From the hangar of NET-7 SOL, this is the Pakkrat. Edited May 6, 2013 by Pakkrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgvol Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away...(Pegasus) They had a rotation system on the RD base. Anyone remember how that ended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morganis Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Everything rotation related on Pegasus wasn't working too well, if I remember. The auction idea on the other raids was good, in my opinion though. Wouldn't work in emu though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHasArrived Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 All I can say is be careful what you wish for, you just may get it... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgvol Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 No reason why the auction system wouldn't work.. would just have a smaller kitty.. time factor of bidding is pita though.. /rand is quicker and possibly make a case for it being "fairer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHasArrived Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 In our raids we use /random... We think that's the fairest way of doing it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgrau Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I guess when you can't compete you resort to griefing. Yet somehow member of my guild are the bad guys. I guess this game works differently for guild with gms, devs and player advocates in them. They are free to grief without reprisal. But if this is the behavior it takes to make these raids activated sobeit! : ) 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHasArrived Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 You guys did this to begin with to push for the activated raids. Personally I liked it the way it has been. Like they say if it ain't broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmes35 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 activated = crap loot tables Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmes35 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 we dont have a gm or player adv in r guild I guess when you can't compete you resort to griefing. Yet somehow member of my guild are the bad guys. I guess this game works differently for guild with gms, devs and player advocates in them. They are free to grief without reprisal. But if this is the behavior it takes to make these raids activated sobeit! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uban [Fmr. ADV] Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 How many times did i say when i was in static to get screenshots and ffps. so you didnt do that now you go in and play we are tired of the griefing . give me a break .There are good players in static ,now because of a few ,they are going to get labeled thugs and griefers .wtg static leaders .nice lead by example. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alurra [Fmr. ADV] Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 What are you talking about Uban? We did the Troller, and got interfered with when we were killing the Troller by VGE and BI both, then we triggered gobb and both bi and vge showed up again. We gave up when we could no longer keep steady connections as we all got multiple server connection losses. How did we become the griefers here exactly? And I am talking this specific instance. I am not crying, nor am I complaining. Simply asking you to state for me the reasons for your particular conclusion that somehow, Static and it's leadership is at fault for the incidents today? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgrau Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 activated = crap loot tables If you think that getting 15 core drops this year isn't already crap drops then you must be smoking something better than I. At least with device activated raids we can work for what we want in game and even plan the event for the benefit of other players. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efialtis Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Lets see about this. There is the server patch on tuesday that resets the timers on troller/bbg and this is the most hard fact on those timers (you know exactly when they start). Sometime on thursday with any luck Static completes their raids. Then they vote that they don't wanna be into the rotation and announce that on friday to the other 2 guilds effective immediately. Why was that? You could have given lets say a weeks notice to the other guilds in the rotation and ease them into the whole idea instead of presenting this questionable attitude. I wont touch the reasoning behind this for now but we are told that if no one is there you will take it but wont interfere if some other guild is there first. Can you define for me how you evaluate the if someone is not there part? 1 hour, 2 hours, 4 hours after the spawn? Most guilds have a playerbase on very different timezones and its not always easy or feasible to come up with a sufficient force to defeat the encounters right away. I suspect you're confident you are the better campers and thought to take advantage of that. Now lets touch the reasoning for your withdrawal from the rotation. You really believe you can force Devs hand by doing this so they will make these raids activated, right? So you expected exactly this kind of behavior, actually provoked it, so that you can support your claim. What you fail to understand is that by trying to force Devs hands you are forcing ours too and we in turned are forced to show you that 2 (or more) can play that game too. Doesn't befit you to cry wolf now. But like i said you actually wanted that. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmes35 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 amen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uban [Fmr. ADV] Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Well said sir .and alurra by the rotation it was suppose to be Bi's,but i guess when you take someones day .they in turn will bring help to squash all worries. sso now that a few wanted this lets hope they can deal with the results. and alurra i am not talking about players in static like you . you are 1 of they good 1's in there . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgrau Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Now lets touch the reasoning for your withdrawal from the rotation. You really believe you can force Devs hand by doing this so they will make these raids activated, right? So you expected exactly this kind of behavior, actually provoked it, so that you can support your claim. What you fail to understand is that by trying to force Devs hands you are forcing ours too and we in turned are forced to show you that 2 (or more) can play that game too. I dont believe i can force anyones hand, nor did i "Provoke" anyone. The guild i am a member voted to withdrawal from the raid rotation, that is all. It as simple as that. Have i wronged you? Are we breaking the game? He we name calling? Are we griefing anyone? Ks'ing anyone? Never. I expected people to compete for the raids just as we had been doing not less than 2 months or so ago. If anyone can force the hand of the devs to change these things it will likely be the poor choices of the player base and their behavior. As I said before feel free to contact me in game or on TS if you wish to discuss this matter further, id be glad happy to talk to anyone anytime on the matter. I'll no longer post on the matter as it seems no headway can be made here, but please if you wish to discuss it, LETS DUET! (btw: I reserve the right to reply once more to this thread should someone provide me with some yum yum yummy trollbait!) 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsacre Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Don't know the ins and outs of you're inter-guild snipes, but I'm getting some popcorn, this almost as good as Jerry Springer (btw, any of you stole your best friend's man or slept with your sister or cousin, spice it up a bit!) :) You guys did this to begin with to push for the activated raids. Personally I liked it the way it has been. Like they say if it ain't broke don't fix it Didn't know those guys did all this for activates, cool, guess the smalls and solos have an unlooked for ally! But about the "ain't broke, don't fix it....." In our eyes (solos and smalls) it is broke and a activate will fix it. Guess from your point, being in the big 3 and actually having access at least once a week it weren't broke. I guess it's nice to look down from a well appointed tower and be able to look upon the "lesser rabble" with firm sense of ones own superiority :unsure: . I wouldn't know, being one of those rabble. But please with all the above this post carry on! :popcorn: :thumbsup: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Revenant Posted May 6, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 A few words about the recent events concerning the 'triggered raids' - those raids that do not use and activated device but a timed spawn, namely Troller and GoBB. During Stress Test and Beta, it was agreed by the 3 major guilds to go to rotation format. Each would have a day where the other 2 guilds agreed not to interfere, try to KS the Raid Boss, or cause any problems. This was a good agreement for all involved including smaller guilds and PUG's because Gobb and Troller would spawn every 24 hrs. The 3 guilds had their day. Mon. - VGE, Tues. - Builders and Wed. - Static and the other 4 days were to be Free For All - meaning anyone could start the raid. The agreement also stated that each guild's day would only be restricted to the other 2 guilds - but ANY other guild, or PUG could attempt those raids on any day at any time. This worked well when there was a spawn each day. However, when the EMU went live the spawn timers changed from 24 hrs to anywhere from 48 - 72 hours, making a set day to raid impossible. When the EMU went live the Agreement was dissolved for this very reason. The previous spokesman for Static made a unilateral decision to try and start a rotation agreement once again - not realizing the raid mechanics had changed. It was quite a shock for those of us in Static, who raid regularly as we knew this was doomed to fail. So the new agreement at first gave Builders - Tuesday, Static - Thursday and VGE - Saturday. Unfortunately again, the previous spokesman didn't realize that after the Tuesday patch, the server would restart and the spawns would be up and ready to be activated. Quite a gift for Builders as they just had to be at the spawn when the server started for their raid, and at a 72 hr spawn for Gobb, the spawn would skip over Static's day entirely. More often than not Static would go for FFA Wednesday or Friday if the spawn was up. Since Static was attempting to raid on a Friday, this would screw up VGE as the spawn would then skip their day. So VGE broke the agreement by claiming that they now get 2 days - Friday and Saturday. (Other dealings with VGE have proven to be less than forthright as well - inviting a member of Static to come along on a Troller Raid, stating he was eligible to roll on all loot, then when our guild member won the Core for the Skull Shield - suddenly changed their minds saying it was to be a VGE guild item only.) Many months before the EMU went live, many in the community (and a huge majority of Static members) had asked for a device activated raid instead of a triggered one. The same format used in both Gate Raid and Fishbowl. This would be a win/win for everyone involved in the end-game raiding content, as ANY guild or PUG would be able to gather parts, make a device to activate, and perhaps try some of the high end raids as well. Static was looking forward to the device activation triggered and offering to help the smaller guilds or groups to enjoy the Raids as we do. It is not fair for part time players to be left out of all content, and it was Static's hope that the Developers would see this as a good thing for the whole server. It was for this reason that Static decided to drop out of any raid rotation, and the fact that VGE had already breached any agreement that was in place by claiming an extra day, sending toons out to activate the raid on Static day (we do have screenshots yes), only to have it despawn, so they could be in a position to do a Saturday raid. It has been the policy of Static NOT to interfere with anyone's raid, if ANY group or Guild had the numbers and could activate the raid before Static, then kudos and good luck! We have never deliberately try to screw up someone else's raid or fun, and if any Static member was caught doing such a thing, they would have been kicked from our guild immediately. The other guild in question - Builders - has twice ran interference on a Static Gate Raid. We took our concerns about raid interference (and all screenshots) to the Devs and the appropriate EnB EMU Staff with no repercussions for those responsible. Now just recently I was informed by the Advocate, that any interference with a device activatable raid would be dealt with harshly, too little too late. But triggered raids like Troller or GoBB would have no consequences. I fail to understand this reasoning as a raid is a raid, and raid interference is still interference. The rules MUST be applied equally to all players on the server - including Guild Leaders, and to all Guilds equally. I need to point out to Blacklung and to the Earth and Beyond Staff - Rule #11. players may not engage in Kill Stealing. (Was attempted by both Builders and VGE on the Controller, as Static had already completed the first 3 waves and was working on the Troller spawn.) Rule #13. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a region, territory, area, or location. (During a Static activated GoBB raid, both Builders and VGE flooded Paramis knowing Static was doing a GoBB raid as well knowing that that many groups in the sector would cause huge lag and disconnects. It was interesting to note that it appeared only Static members were getting disconnects en masse, making it next to impossible to log back in, reform our groups, or do anything really.) I want to see some kind of action taken against those violating these rules. For too long now certain players in the game have been getting a Free Pass on anything they do with no repercussions, even with damning evidence they are given a slap on the wrist. Static wants to apologize first and foremost to all players on the server for the recent events. We were well aware of what might happen if we tipped the apple cart, but had hoped that the Guild Leaders of both VGE and Builders would work together with us to create a better system for all players on the server - not just the elite guilds. Repeated attempts to get the 3 guilds together and voice our ideas for better raid activation to the developers were met with inaction and apathy. The Raid Rotations seemed to work fine for VGE and Builders, but not for Static or all the other players who are not able to field enough people to do those raids. Static would also like to apologize to VGE for the timing of the cancellation of that agreement. Opting out of the rotation had been talked about in guild for quite some time, and a draft post was written to that end. It was not intended to be posted in such haste, and in hindsight, our decision to opt out without any advance notice to the other guilds involved was an error for which we do apologize. Bellshade was courteous enough to try and work out a solution with Static in Teamspeak and we told our guild members to leave the next spawn alone for VGE. Magoo however made no attempt to work with Static. Most of the players on the server today are well seasoned, calm, respectful and mature adults. We had hoped this maturity would shine through to come to a solution for EVERYONE in the game. Contrary to some posts, Static isn't the evil KSin', nav stealing, raid interfering guild some other guilds would have you believe. We are only people who love to play the game, want to make it fun for everyone. We try to make sure our members follow all rules set out by the Developers - so we very much frown on using any type of unattended macros, griefing of other players, or causing trouble to any other person playing. If any of our members fail to heed these rules, they will certainly not be welcome in Static. Again our sincere apologies to the server for all the excitement, and to the Developers for trying to push this issue to the front burner. We are always open to any suggestions for better raid options, including device activatable raids for Troller and Gobb - say set to 72hrs - 96hrs for GoBB per toon per device like the 24 hrs currently used by Booney's mission. Having the rare device part like the Feather drop from a unfactioned mob like FreeSpacers, and spread out over all Levels not just one type and level like the 46 Red Dragon. I hope there is a solution for everyone involved, but the Raid Rotation is flawed and Static will not have any part of it. Thanks - Reverant 13 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervestrike [Fmr. ADV] Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I guess this game works differently for guild with gms, devs and player advocates in them. They are free to grief without reprisal. I resent the implication Sir. When I am acting as the Advocate I have equally and fairly represented everyone regardless of their affiliation. However due to my role as the Advocate I wear the tag 24/7 and comments like yours serve only to undermine the integrity of the office. I am also a member and officer of Builder's Inc. & at no time did I pursue the office with intentions of giving my guild any type of advantage. I did so in the hopes of making the game better for all of us. As a member of the guild, I follow the chain of command and orders handed down through that chain. I do not always agree with decisions made by the leadership but that doesn't give me the right to re-write the rules on a whim. I can either choose to follow them & perhaps make an impact of future decisions to change them or I can choose to leave. I have always been treated fairly and with a measure of respect within B.I. & intend to continue playing with my friends and guild-mates. Likewise I have been met with respect from the other guilds while serving as your Advocate. With that said... I would respectfully request that you leave any references of the Advocate office out of your discussions when pertaining to guild to guild matters. "We now return you to your regularly scheduled rip & tear flaming & trolling" Thanks for your attention. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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