Davidr99 [Admin] Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Check this out if you have not. Google: [url="https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/"]https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleakend Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Welcome to 1984.... scary stuff. There is also a bunch of info about it on craigslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Signed that one myself. Most online petitions I ignore, but this one actually matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp [LDEV] Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Something like this could easily shut us down guys, everyone needs to sit up and take notice, of this and O.P.E.N. which is the successor that's already brewing because they believe this one might have lost too much support to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/19/tech/sopa-blackouts/index.html Thankfully, Washington is getting cold feet about both of the bills after Wednesday's protests. Secretly, I half hope they do pass so that I can sit back and laugh as every politician involved in passing them gets nailed to the wall for the stupidity; and history learns a very important lesson about allowing corporations to bypass such tenants of basic human rights and civil liberties as due process and [i]ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat[/i] (innocent until proven guilty). Mind you, I really don't want the things to pass, but I fear that "Big Media" will continue and continue and continue until a media holocaust breaks out and independent, uncontracted creative minds are rounded up and prosecuted for such crimes as creativity without a license. Yeah, yeah, I know, that's slippery slope fallacy. Still, knowing that it's fallacious thinking doesn't help me not worry that something insidiously more stupid is just over the horizon. Of course, [url="http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html"]a recent TED Talk[/url] about SOPA and PIPA didn't help me relax much. As the TED talk says, it's most likely that it's not piracy that they're trying to stop. It's people being creators, not consumers. They're well aware that creators are also consumers, but consumers who create instead of just consuming are also competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryle [N7R] Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah this thing is scary. The protests slowed it down but likely wont fully stop it. Its sure to die in the Senate, and Obama has all but said its gonna get vetoed. But we are in an election year. This thing could rear its ugly head again in 2013. Watch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimir[IS] Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You know it is scary when we start to emulate China. The Chinese government is getting a giggle and a hoot about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp [LDEV] Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I think they might be taking the hint that the internet will always have someone on the watchtower now, but who knows. I for one follow every bill pretty closely and read them. I know most people don't but DC Politicians in general irritate me. I like the president thus far but it is what I expected even though he was elected there were a bunch of rich white men that wouldn't support him. *shrug* It may be socialist to take care of your brother, but that's what the bible [b]actually[/b] says, so ya know... at any rate, not devolving into politics here. Keep your eyes out for OPEN and be ready to stand against it. I think SOPA/PIPA in the original forms are properly dead, it'll take some real support (read: $$$) to make them live again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daywolf Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='Kyp' timestamp='1327159307' post='51918'] It may be socialist to take care of your brother, but that's what the bible [b]actually[/b] says, so ya know... at any rate, not devolving into politics here. Keep your eyes out for OPEN and be ready to stand against it. I think SOPA/PIPA in the original forms are properly dead, it'll take some real support (read: $$$) to make them live again. [/quote] If a man does not choose to work, neither shall he eat. Anyway, the house and senate shelved this to work out later. Later? Ron Paul 2012! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp [LDEV] Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 First, that's not Jesus' words, which are more important to me than anyone else up to and including the apostles later on, he at no point said this during his time on the rock. He instead told his apostles to seek sanctuary with the people during the time they traveled and taught, and then: Ah, but who amongst us chooses not to work? If you're one of those that believes the majority of the Occupy group (for example) doesn't work by choice you are deluded and should go meet them in person and talk to them. My experience is they are very bright and talented individuals who have only asked that the pay they did receive not get cut, and more than half of them had a job yet were out protesting anyway. What killed me is that here in TN, the people were just quoting lines that sounded like they came off fox and telling these 'dirty hippies' that they needed to go find a job. They were far from patchouli and dope though, like I said, quite lucid. It is not oft wise to take news media at face value, from any one side. Most of the people who don't work now simply can't get a job comparable to the job they had are are just asked to accept half the wages they used to receive and support their family on. That isn't right, and it shouldn't be socially acceptable. The problem is instead the way the business community has been functioning since about 1977 or so. [url="http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/"]http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/[/url] P.S. Ron Paul has a couple of ok ideals that he's putting forward, but the chances of him actually living up to them are slim, given his history or at least what I've been able to find on public record, at any rate. I don't trust any one news service for my news, because there's no such thing as a liberal media when they are all controlled by mass news conglomerates powered by so few private corps. (6 or so at last count) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daywolf Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 @Kyp It’s quite authoritive, it even resonates throughout scriptures in a number of places, such as the many mentions of the sluggard through proverbs. It’s not about finding no work, but refusing to work. It’s true that we should help our neighbor, yet that is my personal effort, or should be, and not law makers and tax code artists that take from one person to give to another. That’s not tithing or any such act of giving, maybe from giving out of someone’s else’s pocket they think? That is not giving or helping. It doesn’t profit anyone, because to give, or to help your neighbor in such a way, is something that is suppose to come from that helpful person, and from their heart, as many do. Being a cheerful giver is very good, but being forced to give is nothing. And unfortunately in the case of the government taking to give, much of the giving tends to be given to themselves, though often indirectly (buying votes etc.), so that the receiver has even less or something really that they didn’t even need or want. And really, this has to do with the Church, not government be it U.S or other. Or just to people who choose to help their neighbors, not forced to do so, because those that do choose to help have a heart for it, and so those in need will receive the best attention rather than a number for a place in line. SOPA is just another example of that, where the government steps in to try to help someone, or entities. But in doing so, they harm others, legitimate workers and even harming the freedoms we have with personal communications over the internet. There is a pattern there (this and previous paragraph), and it’s really about control. Buying votes is one thing they may do, but also consolidating more power for themselves through big government is a common occurrence and an ends to a means. Having power in such a way is quite corruptive, in that the government is led to not fear the people any longer. A well ordered and freedom loving government tends to fear the people, to do what we say collectively. What we say is pretty difficult to shout to DC at a distance, but we do well enough with our state and local governments which is where the majority of our laws and regulations should preside. DC has a place, but not what it has become and is becoming, or shall be if allowed to progress. Anything they touch tends to turn to lead and not gold, lead being the burdens set upon our backs. Hmm.. I have no real comment about the occupiers, it’s too loose with no real voice. The beginning of it was informative by some, but dwindled to something else as time went by imho. We say what we need to say, but then we act, we vote, we buy from someone or we choose to buy from others (vote with dollars too), not keep saying or protesting. Like locally to me, they tried to occupy/protest at a shipping port, but that damages productivity, harms working families. Aren’t they are neighbor too? don’t corporations have people with families as well? I would say they are our neighbors as well, our friends, our family, our countrymen. We are all in need of something, all in need of help, isn’t it better that we help one another with a full heart rather than turning to big government that ultimately seems to only be looking out for their own jobs and how much power their position controls? Small and unobtrusive government is really a wonderful thing, we did well with it here in the U.S. in the past, well enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstar [MOD] Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 So just a few thoughts that the above discussion sparked I've heard many times people say that helping the poor(or neighbors) should be up to churches and other non profits and not government. With as many people and families in difficult situations, I find that absurd. If that were the case here, they would all be overloaded and be less effective as a whole, not to mention probably more deaths. As it is our city was at capacity for the homeless (winter shelter) the last two years (non-profits/churches not goverment shelters), and that's with expanded beds both years. There are a great many Americans that are generous and loving. There are a great many more who are selfish and self absorbed. Americans as a whole, seem to be materialistic and money loving. Those are not great traits to give me confidence in our ability to help neighbors. Heck, where I live most neighbors drive home, get out of their cars and go straight inside, not to be seen again till the next morning. Sure, that's not everyone, but if I were in dire need I wouldn't look to my neighbors. My Meeting would help, but they have limited funds, so then I'd have to go elsewhere... /end rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Del[IS] Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 So.... how bout that SOPA and PIPA, guys? I like government social welfare programs, but this is probably not the thread in which to discuss them. General Discussion would probably be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orga1 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Because I care about our freedom liberty and innovation of the internet I decided to post this as a reply to the sopa and pipa thing... [size=5][b]This just in!!!! The SOPA and PIPA act/bills have been canclled do to over 13million voices over the internet in America alone!!! it's not over but for now its not too late either.[/b][/size] ---------------------- [url="https://www.eff.org/...ngress-listened"]https://www.eff.org/...ngress-listened[/url] ---------------------------- [url="https://docs.google....fCNek1fE99NqE-4"]https://docs.google....fCNek1fE99NqE-4[/url] ---------------------------------- [size=5][b]This I recived in my e-mail which amused me to say the least... This Quote is from EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation)[/b][/size] [quote]Thank you for urging your members of Congress to reject the Internet Blacklist Legislation (PROTECT-IP in the Senate and SOPA in the House). We've got big news. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has just declared that he is postponing a vote on the Protect IP Act (PIPA) scheduled for Tuesday. And in the House of Representatives, Rep. Lamar Smith issued a statement conceding the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) wasn't ready for prime time either. The blacklist bills are falling to pieces as we speak. And it's all thanks to you. Our members took part in one of the largest online protests in history. Over 100,000 websites went black as citizens sent millions of emails to Congress to show opposition to the blacklist bills. The EFF action platform generated over 1 million emails to Congress in a single day. Congress heard you. Our elected officials are learning that online censorship regimes won't solve the "piracy" problem, and we're not going to let up. When it comes to sacrificing our rights to publish and access information online, there can be no compromise. "Piracy" is a business problem that needs a business solution, not lopsided legislation that favors big content industries over our Constitutional rights. Beating the blacklist bills is just one part of our larger strategy of defending privacy, free speech and innovation. We're going to be launching a campaign to fix the broken copyright system. And we're going to need your help to do it. So please stay tuned. Defending your digital rights, Rainey Reitman, Activism Director, and the rest of the EFF anti-blacklist crew[/quote] ------------------------------- [size=5][b]This quote is from (Fight for the future)[/b][/size] [quote]Hi everyone! A big hurrah to you!!!!! We’ve won for now -- SOPA and PIPA were dropped by Congress today -- the votes we’ve been scrambling to mobilize against have been cancelled. The largest online protest in history has fundamentally changed the game. You were heard. On January 18th, 13 million of us took the time to tell Congress to protect free speech rights on the internet. Hundreds of millions, maybe a billion, people all around the world saw what we did on Wednesday. See the amazing numbers here and tell everyone what you did. This was unprecedented. Your activism may have changed the way people fight for the public interest and basic rights forever. The MPAA (the lobby for big movie studios which created these terrible bills) was shocked and seemingly humbled. “‘This was a whole new different game all of a sudden,’ MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times. ‘[PIPA and SOPA were] considered by many to be a slam dunk. 'This is altogether a new effect,' Mr. Dodd said, comparing the online movement to the Arab Spring. He could not remember seeing 'an effort that was moving with this degree of support change this dramatically' in the last four decades, he added. Tweet with us, shout on the internet with us, let's celebrate: Round of applause to the 13 million people who stood up - #PIPA and #SOPA are tabled 4 now. #13millionapplause We're indebted to everyone who helped in the beginning of this movement -- you, and all the sites that went out on a limb to protest in November -- Boing Boing and Mozilla Foundation (and thank you Tumblr, 4chan)! And the grassroots groups -- Public Knowledge, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Demand Progress, CDT, and many more. P.S. China's internet censorship system reminds us why the fight for democratic principles is so important: In the New Yorker: "Fittingly, perhaps, the discussion has unfolded on Weibo, the Twitter-like micro-blogging site that has a team of censors on staff to trim posts with sensitive political content. That is the arrangement that opponents of the bill have suggested would be required of American sites if they are compelled to police their users’ content for copyright violations. On Weibo, joking about SOPA’s similarities to Chinese censorship was sensitive enough that some posts on the subject were almost certainly deleted (though it can be hard to know). After Chinese Web users got over the strangeness of hearing Americans debate the merits of screening the Web for objectionable content, they marvelled at the American response. Commentator Liu Qingyan wrote: We should learn something from the way these American Internet companies protested against SOPA and PIPA. A free and democratic society depends on every one of us caring about politics and fighting for our rights. We will not achieve it by avoiding talk about Politics.[/quote] So with that said thank you to activist/tea parties/hippies and anyone else who joined the fight or volunteered to protest online and stop these 2 bills from passing and consuming our liberty, freedom, and privacy online in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daywolf Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Dakynos' timestamp='1327358282' post='52061']I've heard many times people say that helping the poor(or neighbors) should be up to churches and other non profits and not government. With as many people and families in difficult situations, [/quote]Well yeah, that’s why I mentioned "Or just to people who choose to help their neighbors, not forced to do so etc.". This is pretty much how many hospitals, shelters and drug rehab facilities have been started and funded in the U.S. In my area, we even have food centers where you can get boxes of food for dirt cheep (like 10% of the cost). I've hit hard times a number of times, I've never had to turn to government aid or their institutions to get past difficulties, nor do I want to since it is a far cry from the efficiency and quality of non-government centers. Still the point remains, be it social issues as this or things like internet regulation, the gov is just incapable of doing anything right. The founding fathers knew that too which is why they designed government to be very constrained. Take in point music piracy, which was far more common in years past, until private companies started offering music for purchase and download. Piracy of music was greatly curved, and the government efforts to try to regulate piracy back then in this case was left virtually worthless. We really, with out a doubt, do not need things like SOPA. The private sector will find a way to fix any real problems, as they have in the past and will do again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryle [N7R] Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) [quote name='C Del' timestamp='1327359414' post='52068'] So.... how bout that SOPA and PIPA, guys? I like government social welfare programs, but this is probably not the thread in which to discuss them. General Discussion would probably be better. [/quote] Just when you think its over.... it just gets worse. You think SOPA and PIPA were bad (and they arent even really "gone" yet, just delayed) [url="http://www.stopacta.info/"]http://www.stopacta.info/[/url] Check out ACTA This thing has the potential for global repercussion, and the language of how the laws are going to be written is so vague that it could be interpreted in such catch-all ways that we might all go to prison for playing the EMU. (theres a provision that affects open source and stuff like that. given how vague the negotiated thing is now, it would up to interpretation by the country the property is being utilized in.... kinda scary that suddenly just possession of pirated or "borrowed" code/intellectual property could put you in jail) Edited January 24, 2012 by Ryle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacchus[IS] Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 All they're doing right now is forcing people to hide behind VPNs and such.. The genie is out of the bottle and they won't succeed in putting it back in. If I had to buy every single movie/album/game or whatever on discs I'd have to reserve a full room just to store it all. Outdated business model = outdated I'll start buying again when they cut out the middleman and the artist/writer/designer/director or whatever actually recieves the lion share of the profits made from their own creations and offer them as digital downloads at a fair price. Here's a nice example of how it can be done and yes.. that one I did buy.. not because I liked it but because I support the idea behind it [url="https://buy.louisck.net/news"]https://buy.louisck.net/news[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstar [MOD] Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 oh, brings back memories of Napster, and the few who ended up in court by the music companies. I think overall people would be fine with the laws and enforcement of of such laws, just as long as they're not so vauge, or oversized. It's almost like squashing a bug with the moon. No shutting down sites without warning because they might have a link to a site that may have infringed IP and such. Maybe if the industries did some cutting/leaning of their own, it could help. Neat link btw, and love the idea too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp [LDEV] Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='StarbuckJD' timestamp='1327263203' post='51986'] @Kyp It’s quite authoritive, it even resonates throughout scriptures in a number of places, such as the many mentions of the sluggard through proverbs. It’s not about finding no work, but refusing to work. It’s true that we should help our neighbor, yet that is my personal effort, or should be, and not law makers and tax code artists that take from one person to give to another. That’s not tithing or any such act of giving, maybe from giving out of someone’s else’s pocket they think? That is not giving or helping. It doesn’t profit anyone, because to give, or to help your neighbor in such a way, is something that is suppose to come from that helpful person, and from their heart, as many do. Being a cheerful giver is very good, but being forced to give is nothing. And unfortunately in the case of the government taking to give, much of the giving tends to be given to themselves, though often indirectly (buying votes etc.), so that the receiver has even less or something really that they didn’t even need or want. And really, this has to do with the Church, not government be it U.S or other. Or just to people who choose to help their neighbors, not forced to do so, because those that do choose to help have a heart for it, and so those in need will receive the best attention rather than a number for a place in line. SOPA is just another example of that, where the government steps in to try to help someone, or entities. But in doing so, they harm others, legitimate workers and even harming the freedoms we have with personal communications over the internet. There is a pattern there (this and previous paragraph), and it’s really about control. Buying votes is one thing they may do, but also consolidating more power for themselves through big government is a common occurrence and an ends to a means. Having power in such a way is quite corruptive, in that the government is led to not fear the people any longer. A well ordered and freedom loving government tends to fear the people, to do what we say collectively. What we say is pretty difficult to shout to DC at a distance, but we do well enough with our state and local governments which is where the majority of our laws and regulations should preside. DC has a place, but not what it has become and is becoming, or shall be if allowed to progress. Anything they touch tends to turn to lead and not gold, lead being the burdens set upon our backs. Hmm.. I have no real comment about the occupiers, it’s too loose with no real voice. The beginning of it was informative by some, but dwindled to something else as time went by imho. We say what we need to say, but then we act, we vote, we buy from someone or we choose to buy from others (vote with dollars too), not keep saying or protesting. Like locally to me, they tried to occupy/protest at a shipping port, but that damages productivity, harms working families. Aren’t they are neighbor too? don’t corporations have people with families as well? I would say they are our neighbors as well, our friends, our family, our countrymen. We are all in need of something, all in need of help, isn’t it better that we help one another with a full heart rather than turning to big government that ultimately seems to only be looking out for their own jobs and how much power their position controls? Small and unobtrusive government is really a wonderful thing, we did well with it here in the U.S. in the past, well enough. [/quote] Oh yeah? It also mentions hundreds of times that you should help those who are down and out as your family, and you're falling into a logical fallacy here in making the assumption that these people DON'T WANT TO WORK, which is what the scripture you are referencing implies when it refers to those 'sluggards'. There's a hell of a difference there. Also, all governments must tax to function, the United States tax rates are among the lowest in the developed world. The tax rates SHOULD go up to the levels necessary to pay for people and infrastructure as needed, if taxes can't be raised, then costs must be slashed in truly overspent areas, this means defense first because out of your taxes .51 cents out of every dollar is spent there. As it stands now, the average poor/middle class pay out more in taxes at right around 25% than the 15% average rate on capital gains, even though the capital gains turns out to be millions and so on, it is still less of a percentage of that millionaire/billionaire's overall income than it is for the poorer people. Flat taxes don't work either because generally they exempt capital gains which is where your richest make the majority of their income. Having said that, the bible encourages giving to help others, and not for yourself (see ephesians for at least one example of being told that boasting/expecting goodwill from others for your giving disqualifies it as the act the Lord is looking for). When you give because you know it is helping others and for that reason alone, you are doing the work of the lord. When you give only to those who can see you because you are looking for them to be grateful or seem grateful, you are violating the spirit of that. The government gives it to people who need it as best they can, so what they ensure is that those taxes reach MORE people than you would otherwise. It is unrealistic to think that local churches and hospitals can afford to support all the people out there instead of trusting to the taxes collected from everyone to do what they're meant to do, help pay for the stuff we all need, and to pay for our poorer brothers and sisters who are incapable of making the money on their own. Now, I have zero problem with withholding government assistance from those who do not try to obtain employment, so trust me when I say that I also do not support the "sluggard". Remember, you're not being forced to pay taxes, as you receive those same services when you're down and out if you get to that point. Think of it a little more like insurae, you pay that, right? :) SOPA/PIPA is a sham drafted by the businesses that wish to legislate an outdated business model in place and nothing more. There is a simple solution, a netflix-style arrangement with the major studios to release new movies for a higher fee each month. Or a decent purchase price on individual downloads. Occupy was just an example that came to mind because being around them as I talked to the folks involved, I saw how mistreated they were and insulted they were and how many times they were told they should get a job and so on which were things that Fox News were running into the ground as best they could. Most of the ones I met had a job, a decent job generally, and were well spoken, intelligent people. It bugs me that the media story ran by these political machines is trusted and taken as fact. I lose faith as humanity doesn't research the crap the magic box feeds them. They just assume it cannot be wrong. [quote name='StarbuckJD' timestamp='1327364792' post='52094'] Well yeah, that’s why I mentioned "Or just to people who choose to help their neighbors, not forced to do so etc.". This is pretty much how many hospitals, shelters and drug rehab facilities have been started and funded in the U.S. In my area, we even have food centers where you can get boxes of food for dirt cheep (like 10% of the cost). I've hit hard times a number of times, I've never had to turn to government aid or their institutions to get past difficulties, nor do I want to since it is a far cry from the efficiency and quality of non-government centers. Still the point remains, be it social issues as this or things like internet regulation, the gov is just incapable of doing anything right. The founding fathers knew that too which is why they designed government to be very constrained. Take in point music piracy, which was far more common in years past, until private companies started offering music for purchase and download. Piracy of music was greatly curved, and the government efforts to try to regulate piracy back then in this case was left virtually worthless. We really, with out a doubt, do not need things like SOPA. The private sector will find a way to fix any real problems, as they have in the past and will do again. [/quote] I've already addressed the "forced to do so" thing, I think. While you personally don't like/trust the government centers, they do tend to be run a bit more directly and efficiently in my experience than Fran's soup kitchen. The government was designed to be for the people, by the people but the Citizens United v. FEC case completely blew that out of the water. I'll cede to you on private industry fixing the music industry, just like I mentioned above with the movie industry. I would cite though that the private industry is NOT the solution to all problems. The US private healthcare model consumes almost 19% of our GDP in costs as it was prior to the reform bill. Canada's single payer system consumes about 9% of their GDP and doesn't waver almost any. It doesn't outlaw private industry being involved, it just forces them to charge a reasonable rate if they want to get paid. It doesn't restrict you from seeing doctors, if you've got cash you can still pay it and see a doctor for anything today. If you take the government provided option you STILL don't have to wait if its a life threatening or critical issue of any kind though they can send you back home for cosmetic and minor issues that won't hurt you. This is between you and the doctor rather than an insurance suit in an office across the country. This is contrary to what Republicans have quoted in the fight against the healthcare reforms but if you don't believe it, ask a Canadian rather than a Republican. They'll confirm what I'm telling you (note: this is what I did...). The Military wouldn't work as private rather than the current socialist structure that it is, because it would become beholden to the owner rather than the people, fire departments couldn't work this way... or well shouldn't because no one wants to have to negotiate for the best price when their life is on the line, and this applies to EVERY emergency service worker/industry. The private industry could potentially do something faster, if your bill isn't past due. Therein lies the problem. I doubt I can convince you otherwise, nor will I try, but I do suggest researching the things you are told if you don't, a lot of people don't seem to and their eyes stay closed. At any rate, so as not to disrupt this thread any futr I will leave this here. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowxsx Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) All these bill remind me of the southpark episode where the kids try to download a song and the fbi breaks in and takes them around the country showing them how much piracy hurt the "artists". Poor Lars wanted to put in a a hot tub today, but due to piracy has to wait till tomorrow. Poor Brittany has to down grade her private jet from one that had a tv remote to one not having one,, I remember a few years back when the movie industry wanted to tax people who owned big screen tvs "because more than one person could watch a rental movie". Or ban vcrs, tape recorders, cd recorders etc. Just shows who really come up with these ideas and its not the politicians. The music and movie industry want less pirating of movies and music from china? Easy fix, stop sending them into china to be manufactured. What next a pat down at the theater so some one doesn't sneak a camera in? Ban radio so people can't record music off it? Ban tv so you have to go to a mediaplex and pay to watch tv shows? Edited January 25, 2012 by shadowxsx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleakend Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 And now, a song: "Turrrrn around.. everytime I use google scholar I prooove the news wrong and my eyes ooopen wideerrrr/ Turrn around, everytime I do some actual research the facts invalidate the status quoooo.../ Once upon time I was a college student/ Now I'm unemployed with a degree... What can I say? A total eclipse of the systeeeem..." Adapted from "Total Eclipse of the Heart" by that artist no one cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orga1 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 i see some people enjoy voicing theire oppinons it's our 1st admendment isn't it? Why is there a picture of micky mouse's face and a globe covering it in this link? [url="http://www.stopacta.info/"]http://www.stopacta.info/[/url] Is Walt Desney behind all this corruption? While were at it, I think wut Kyp is trying to say is Inflation well and has already destroyed this econmy in the U.S. if entertainment wants to raise the bar and piss off alot of freedom loving workers or people unemployed then the entertainment well be no more. Somebody on the radio including google got it right!!! We the people are not just consumers but stablizers in this econmy. The human element as it where. If we quite consuming then your company who's complaining well collapse eventually and i say let me compalin and make bills and laws weither or not were agaisnt them the results are embbeded in our history of empires or in our roots. Anyone seen the movie Tekken? Wouldn't that suck to have to book keep 2 sets of currencies at all times, that being Global and Local? red and blue lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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