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Poll: Macros and Multiboxing


  

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  1. 1. Which of these options coincide with your opinions? (Multiple options allowed.)

    • I am against macros and multiboxing.
      23
    • I am against macros but not against multiboxing.
      145
    • I am against multiboxing but not against macros.
      5
    • I am not against macros or multiboxing.
      40
    • Though I am not against macros, I believe they should be strictly limited.
      31
    • Though I am not against multiboxing, I believe it should be strictly limited.
      31
    • I have no idea what you're talking about.
      3


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I see no problems with multiboxing, how else can family members play together at home. As for macroing It should be a banable offense and strictly enforced, If your not going to be at the controls go play EVE. This game was not meant to be played solo, and I feel the dev group should do everything reasonable to keep it that way. Just my 2 lincolns.

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Well Jarod, it appears that I was correct when I said that MOST ALL of us agree that the use of macro's and or bots is frowned upon by the majority of the Earth and Beyond community, as I have said before it was obvious. Also, as I have said before, people that multi-box will have significant advantages over those that don't. I feel as though, the effects of these said advantages have been clearly stated in previous post by me, and other members of the earth and beyond communiuty. Why you fail to recognize this fact is beyond me. I have, in a attempt to limit the impact of multi-boxing exploits to the community, refrained from going into explicit details regarding the exploits and their use. Although, I am readily able to diverge on the subject further. I feel as though it would be better if I were to communicate to the DEVS directlly, rather than expose the exploits on the forums for everyone to use. Rather than ban multi-boxing completely or attempt to limit it, which I admit would be a heeding task, there are ways to make multi-boxing less rewarding and thus less desirable. Thus making the game more fair, balanced and more enjoyable for everyone that plays it.

As I said in my original post I agreed with the sentiment against macro-ing. I also said you were presuming to speak for the majority without - at that time - posting any data to back that up. Why you have a problem with speaking to the facts is beyond me.

But please, do post more. I would love for you to "diverge on the subject further" . . . so long as it isn't too much of "a heeding task".

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

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As I said in my original post I agreed with the sentiment against macro-ing. I also said you were presuming to speak for the majority without - at that time - posting any data to back that up. Why you have a problem with speaking to the facts is beyond me.

But please, do post more. I would love for you to "diverge on the subject further" . . . so long as it isn't too much of "a heeding task".

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Some things are just obvious, but one thing just occured to me. You haven't really contributed anything to this post, this subject or topic. Nothing at all, but belittling quaints.

The sun is bright.

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Some things are just obvious, but one thing just occured to me. You haven't really contributed anything to this post, this subject or topic. Nothing at all, but belittling quaints.

The sun is bright.

You asked for input - that is the function of a poll, no? I stated I'm against macro's. I asked for someone to clarify what the risk of multiboxing is. The closest I've gotten to an answer on that is you saying that posting the answer would provide too much information for people to then take advantage of (shades of TSA). On the plus side I've learned quite a bit, most recently that quaint is also a noun - thanks for that.

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I didn't read all of the replies, so if this was mentioned just add me to agreeing with them.

How can you tell multi-boxing from several people in the same family/house having accounts?

All that you can check is if they name their toons with "Namepw" and "Namett".

What if my wife and I have separate accounts, but I play both sometimes when she's not home. Can you tell? Does it hurt anyone?

You will have a very difficult time eliminating multi-boxing.

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You will have a very difficult time eliminating multi-boxing.
exactly. to put it in perspective, if devs going to nerf multi-box'ing, then they really are nerfing grouping. game gives all these toys for grouping and so makes it easy to multi-box.

macroing.. well, combat assist/heal bot/auto looter/faction grind/autopilot all are here to stay (gl nerfing them ;-) probably even those rumoured dynamic trade run/jobs can be macroed.

i dont macro (yet hehe). i'm more interested on the possibility and figuring out how to do it. .. and there is lot of possibilities unfortunately.

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I am suprised that so many people are interested in finding ways to exploit the game via bots, macros or multi-boxing exploits rather than playing the game normally. Multi-boxing WILL not have to be eliminated if the DEVS fix the multi-boxing exploits that are currentlly being used. If they don't plan to fix the exploits then I feel as though that it should be limited.

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Well the multi boxing issue was beaten to death on the old forum but just to recap, multiboxing is helpful but ultimately allows a player to do no more than two seperate players could achieve themselves. Multiboxing also allows a player such as myself to play many different chr types, it's not like I play 10 PWs or anything.. Macro on the other hand is blatant cheating. The two issues shouldn't even be being discussed on the same thread in this way. I therefore voted for like multi dislike macro. Happily it seems the vast majority of players seem to feel the same way. I think we should accept multiboxing - as it was accepted in live - and treat macro with the contempt it deserves and hand out bans for it's use, again as it was in live. We are trying to EMULATE earth and beyond after all aren't we?

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I am suprised that so many people are interested in finding ways to exploit the game via bots, macros or multi-boxing exploits rather than playing the game normally. Multi-boxing WILL not have to be eliminated if the DEVS fix the multi-boxing exploits that are currentlly being used. If they don't plan to fix the exploits then I feel as though that it should be limited.

hmm i somehow dont get what you mean with exploits. so far the stuff you mentioned seems to be normal gamemechanics. an exploit is usually something that was not intended to be that way (i.e tradexp between players was never supposed to be there, so using it to level would be an exploit). since tradexp between players or groupbonuses while exploring/hunting were always supposed to be there and work the way they do, i fail to see the exploit here.

if for example, i decide to tour 2 of my accounts around the galaxy and level EL to 50 in 2 days or less (hypothetically speaking), then that would not be an exploit. if you were to classify that as an exploit, you would have to forbid tours completely and remove the groupbonus completely. same goes for hunting with 3 accounds (where 2 are only leeching xp). it is intended to hunt in groups and its also intended that people get xp for a kill even if they didnt shoot at the mob even once. so if we classify this as an exploit, we have to remove hunting/leeching-groups altogether.

finally trading account to account. if tradexp between players were not wanted, the devs would remove it. who would even want to forbid me to trade my stuff to my 2nd account instead of the vendor?

the only thing that would be valid as an exploit would be if i could outgun a single player with my 3 accounts.. which is very hard because i can only control one account properly.. the others are basically only leechers.

p.s.: this is only my point of view on the whole matter.

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the only thing that would be valid as an exploit would be if i could outgun a single player with my 3 accounts.. which is very hard because i can only control one account properly.. the others are basically only leechers.

Locking 3 ships in form, especially missile boats, and just hitting E and then F makes it pretty doable.

Once bosses are properly implemented, and your wingmen are getting grav linked, summoned, whatever, then yeah multiboxing basically goes out the window from a strategy standpoint. I don't worry at all about 1 individual KSing something like a properly implemented Controller, not likely at all.

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Locking 3 ships in form, especially missile boats, and just hitting E and then F makes it pretty doable.

Once bosses are properly implemented, and your wingmen are getting grav linked, summoned, whatever, then yeah multiboxing basically goes out the window from a strategy standpoint. I don't worry at all about 1 individual KSing something like a properly implemented Controller, not likely at all.

would be too much of a hassle for me.. i want to play this game without stress, so i only let my other accounts leech (so far i havent done anything more than explore, because jes suck at combat) :(

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Locking 3 ships in form, especially missile boats, and just hitting E and then F makes it pretty doable.

Once bosses are properly implemented, and your wingmen are getting grav linked, summoned, whatever, then yeah multiboxing basically goes out the window from a strategy standpoint. I don't worry at all about 1 individual KSing something like a properly implemented Controller, not likely at all.

I'm just trying to envision the logistics of having 3 or more PC's - and their keyboards - available to do all this. Two isn't so hard but there's definitely a knee in that curve. I'm sure there *are* people that both have the hardware, the desk space, and the will to make it all work - but how much of a percentage of the player base do/would they really represent? IMO not enough to make it worth all of the effort being proposed to negate it, I think there are other things to be worked on that deliver much more benefit for the effort expended.

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I'm just trying to envision the logistics of having 3 or more PC's - and their keyboards - available to do all this. Two isn't so hard but there's definitely a knee in that curve. I'm sure there *are* people that both have the hardware, the desk space, and the will to make it all work - but how much of a percentage of the player base do/would they really represent? IMO not enough to make it worth all of the effort being proposed to negate it, I think there are other things to be worked on that deliver much more benefit for the effort expended.

I don't have multiple PC's, but this is very useful for people: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/

Basically a program that lets you use one input device across X# of computers.

You would just need to have three monitors, three towers.

Add in VMware on each machine and now you have a 6-box system, but yeah, good luck using that effectively :(

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I don't have multiple PC's, but this is very useful for people: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/

Basically a program that lets you use one input device across X# of computers.

You would just need to have three monitors, three towers.

Add in VMware on each machine and now you have a 6-box system, but yeah, good luck using that effectively :(

imho anyone that can figure out how to 6-box a game and get an advantage from that... deserves all that they get... i mean damn... they sure did put in the time and do there homework on that one... me... I would rather invest the time in watching soft porn ;)

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I am suprised that so many people are interested in finding ways to exploit the game via bots, macros or multi-boxing exploits rather than playing the game normally. Multi-boxing WILL not have to be eliminated if the DEVS fix the multi-boxing exploits that are currentlly being used. If they don't plan to fix the exploits then I feel as though that it should be limited.

You keep speaking of multi-boxing exploits as something that ONLY single players actively manipulating multiple characters in a certain way can do. That this is a specific exploit that only such players can do and that GROUPS of folks cannot similarly achieve through coordination and "normal" gameplay. I am of the belief that your definition of exploit is not the same as the majority of mmo-gamers.

An exploit is taking advantage of something that is clearly not intended by the game developers. An exploit is something that is clearly broken. An exploit is the same thing as a cheat. More simply, an exploit is a bug or broken game mechanic that needs to be fixed. Multi-boxing is neither a bug, nor a broken game mechanic.

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You keep speaking of multi-boxing exploits as something that ONLY single players actively manipulating multiple characters in a certain way can do. That this is a specific exploit that only such players can do and that GROUPS of folks cannot similarly achieve through coordination and "normal" gameplay. I am of the belief that your definition of exploit is not the same as the majority of mmo-gamers.

An exploit is taking advantage of something that is clearly not intended by the game developers. An exploit is something that is clearly broken. An exploit is the same thing as a cheat. More simply, an exploit is a bug or broken game mechanic that needs to be fixed. Multi-boxing is neither a bug, nor a broken game mechanic.

Well said.

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imho anyone that can figure out how to 6-box a game and get an advantage from that... deserves all that they get... i mean damn... they sure did put in the time and do there homework on that one... me... I would rather invest the time in watching soft porn :)

very interesting and insightful

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How can 50% of people be against Macro's and not Multiboxing?

Am I not understanding something here?

A macro, in my understanding is something like "selling everything in your hold in 1 click", or "use this device and then warp in 1 click". It's generally a time saver or makes something easier.

Multiboxing on the other hand eliminates social aspects of an MMO and screws the economy over. Why group to kill a boss when you can just log on 5 accounts and solo it? Likewise you can make 6 traders form up and do the Fenris-->Somer trade route, 6x profit anyone? 300k Credits in one round trip?. How is that acceptable?

If I'm mistaken, tell me so. Otherwise justify why 50% of people think Multiboxing is fine and Macro'ing isn't.

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How can 50% of people be against Macro's and not Multiboxing?

Am I not understanding something here?

A macro, in my understanding is something like "selling everything in your hold in 1 click", or "use this device and then warp in 1 click". It's generally a time saver or makes something easier.

Multiboxing on the other hand eliminates social aspects of an MMO and screws the economy over. Why group to kill a boss when you can just log on 5 accounts and solo it? Likewise you can make 6 traders form up and do the Fenris-->Somer trade route, 6x profit anyone? 300k Credits in one round trip?. How is that acceptable?

If I'm mistaken, tell me so. Otherwise justify why 50% of people think Multiboxing is fine and Macro'ing isn't.

Probably depends on how the person in question multi-boxes. For example, I use it to transfer items between toons, sometimes tour other chars so non-explorers can get EL after all points in galaxy are mapped on that toon, or sometimes I might have my TW sit in an orefield, while I mine with my JE. I don't think that many multiboxers take it to the extreme of playing 5 & 6 accounts at once. If it were limited to two or three accounts on at once, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I would think that some families who play the game might. (not to mention the hubby, wife, and kids may all actually be playing at the same time 1 char each)

On the other hand, if macroing were allowed, I and many other players, would simply set up one of our toons in either Somerled or Fenris, and run the trade route between the 2 stations (or Somerled-Prasad), whenever we coudln't be personally playing. That would amount to cheating. Think of it, even over 2 acconts with 10 toons, 1 of each type and a second JE. How long do you think it would take, even without the XP boost following the unscheduled wipe, to max all those toons, compared to only leveling them when you could actually play? Having 2 PCs and running 2 macros, one for each account halves that time. No human can run trade routes from Somerled to Prasad or Fenris, 24/7/365, even the most dedicated and hardcore player needs to sleep, eat, & do other things. The electric bill would be higher, than it otherwise would be, but for some players, that may not matter.

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Dunno, I am no expert on either subject, I play 1 account on 1 pc.

I'm against macro's to the extent that they automate the game to the level of starting the game and the macro does the rest so you can go watch tv or read a book. In live macros caused enuf problems that the Devs actually made some macro hunter bots that roamed around sectors, Freya was a sector I saw the bot in repeatedly.

The only problem I would have with them is if they are permacamping mobs 24/7 to get the uber lewtz, or clearing ore fields or whatever.

Multi boxing, well if someone has the extra money for the boxes and time to use them, at least they are still sitting in front of the screen actually playing. I have no problems with that.

Sure it gives them an advantage, but it also cost them quite a bit of $$ to gain that advantage in an internet spacship game. Most of the people I know that multibox do it for convience factor and not to gain undue rewards.

Now combine multiboxing and macros and that would be really bad imo.

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Yes.

... I said please tell me so.

It seems to be the term Macro is some sort of slur or insult. Yes, a Macro that automates the game totally is lame and cheating but it's not generally called a macro. It's called a script or bot.

Would you like a button that sold everything in your cargo bay? because that's called a Macro.

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