Bidoc Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Has anyone else noticed that there is not a single shield builder in the Jenquai race? Remove either the build devices or the build weapons skill from the seeker skills and replace it with build shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garblesoup Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 [quote name='Bidoc' timestamp='1301157263' post='37204'] Has anyone else noticed that there is not a single shield builder in the Jenquai race? Remove either the build devices or the build weapons skill from the seeker skills and replace it with build shields. [/quote] I would imagine most people have noticed this as it's consistent with each race having a weakness. Jenquai's is Shields, Terran's is Reactors, and Progen's is engines - each race doesn't have any character capable of building that particular category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyp [LDEV] Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenu [CDEV] Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 well that and jenquai shields are generally lousy. They have some nice buffs, but the capacities are very low. With Jenquai having good devices, devices can usually make up those buffs. The only ones really worth building would be terran shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell [BT] Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 [quote name='Kenu' timestamp='1301179523' post='37239'] well that and jenquai shields are generally lousy. They have some nice buffs, but the capacities are very low. With Jenquai having good devices, devices can usually make up those buffs. The only ones really worth building would be terran shields. [/quote] True, there would be 3 others that would be worth building, the Veiled Oyoroi, Defender's Doumaru, and Sharim Prototype Shield. That being said, I think we should keep the JT's build skills as they are, and Jenquai should buy those shields from a TT. One thing I am curious about is what devices, and other equipment that the JT will see, when her role is more solidly defined. I'd imagine that, among the traders, she'd be the one that uses the largest variety of devices for combat support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyran Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 [quote name='Kenu' timestamp='1301179523' post='37239'] well that and jenquai shields are generally lousy. They have some nice buffs, but the capacities are very low. With Jenquai having good devices, devices can usually make up those buffs. The only ones really worth building would be terran shields. [/quote] Kenu, You are the Jenquai zen master... Why are you letting Jenquai shields be so lame? Do you have an inferiority complex? Terrell, Have you watched Star Trek: TNG? U know when Lt. Cmdr. Data states redundant or out of place facts, or gives statistics with far too many decimals? After a while Captain Picard is fed up with Data's precision and tells him to shut up. I'm quite sure you've not seen that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjeron Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 [quote name='Tyran' timestamp='1301336235' post='37533'] Kenu, You are the Jenquai zen master... Why are you letting Jenquai shields be so lame? Do you have an inferiority complex? [/quote] Don't blame him, Nishido cant manufacture anything worthwhile. Blacksun, Tada-O, Infiniticorp, Mordana and Organics will provide better than any Shields Nishido can offer you. I dont even know how Nishido stays in business with the worthless junk they sell, the JT probably shouldnt have Build Weapons either. If you want some good beams you buy Blacksun, GETco, Mordana or Organic, not Nishido. Jenquai would get better results asking GETco to extend the Lion and Mastiff line of Beams up to L9, than they would trying to get Nishido to design a single plasma beam. The DP/GE may say Nishido, but we all know the Mordana really designed them, at best all Nishido did was lend them the facilites to manufacture them. Maybe we should see what kind of shield and weapons Sundari could design... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuritau Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 [quote name='will' timestamp='1301400608' post='37629'] Don't blame him, Nishido cant manufacture anything worthwhile. Blacksun, Tada-O, Infiniticorp, Mordana and Organics will provide better than any Shields Nishido can offer you. I dont even know how Nishido stays in business with the worthless junk they sell, the JT probably shouldnt have Build Weapons either. If you want some good beams you buy Blacksun, GETco, Mordana or Organic, not Nishido. Jenquai would get better results asking GETco to extend the Lion and Mastiff line of Beams up to L9, than they would trying to get Nishido to design a single plasma beam. The DP/GE may say Nishido, but we all know the Mordana really designed them, at best all Nishido did was lend them the facilites to manufacture them. Maybe we should see what kind of shield and weapons Sundari could design... [/quote] It really is quite shameful that the jenquai can't even design a halfway useful beam, considering it's the racial weapon. I know it's been talked about to death at least a few times on these boards throughout the various Stress Tests, but the fact remains, until EITHER the jenquai manufacturers put out some plasma beams at each level, OR there's some fundamental changes that make EMP or Energy beams at all comparable to plasma, there is no useful jenquai beam weapon before the defender's pride. Jenquai engines serve their purpose well enough: sig reduction for combat. Jenquai devices are very nice, not gonna complain about those. Shields.. well, each race has to suck at something. Though the fact that jenq shields have barely 50% of the capacity of progen shields is a bit much, but whatever. But the beams? Come on. Terrans incorporated plasma damage into their missiles as early as level 1, with the Fine ML Class Z1. Progen incorporated plasma into their projectiles at level 5, with the Rifle and Longbow guns. Jenquai still can't figure out how to do it below level 9? In a universe where plasma is often the only sensible damage selection, this is flat out stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garblesoup Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 [quote name='Yuritau' timestamp='1301488827' post='37813'] It really is quite shameful that the jenquai can't even design a halfway useful beam, considering it's the racial weapon. I know it's been talked about to death at least a few times on these boards throughout the various Stress Tests, but the fact remains, until EITHER the jenquai manufacturers put out some plasma beams at each level, OR there's some fundamental changes that make EMP or Energy beams at all comparable to plasma, there is no useful jenquai beam weapon before the defender's pride. Jenquai engines serve their purpose well enough: sig reduction for combat. Jenquai devices are very nice, not gonna complain about those. Shields.. well, each race has to suck at something. Though the fact that jenq shields have barely 50% of the capacity of progen shields is a bit much, but whatever. But the beams? Come on. Terrans incorporated plasma damage into their missiles as early as level 1, with the Fine ML Class Z1. Progen incorporated plasma into their projectiles at level 5, with the Rifle and Longbow guns. Jenquai still can't figure out how to do it below level 9? In a universe where plasma is often the only sensible damage selection, this is flat out stupid. [/quote] It would be interesting to see a line of new weapons introduced that address this shortcoming but by way of introducing new content - along the lines of the Agrippa Technology missions for the Progen. New missions, new items, and more reasons for a JD/JT to consider being a weapons builder (given the lack of good Jenq weps right now, what's the point?). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell [BT] Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 [quote name='will' timestamp='1301400608' post='37629'] Don't blame him, Nishido cant manufacture anything worthwhile. Blacksun, Tada-O, Infiniticorp, Mordana and Organics will provide better than any Shields Nishido can offer you. I dont even know how Nishido stays in business with the worthless junk they sell, the JT probably shouldnt have Build Weapons either. If you want some good beams you buy Blacksun, GETco, Mordana or Organic, not Nishido. [b]Jenquai would get better results asking GETco to extend the Lion and Mastiff line of Beams up to L9, than they would trying to get Nishido to design a single plasma beam. The DP/GE may say Nishido, but we all know the Mordana really designed them, at best all Nishido did was lend them the facilites to manufacture them.Maybe we should see what kind of shield and weapons Sundari could design...[/b] [/quote] Totally agree with the bolded, though the GE is an energy beam, not a plasma one. GE does have nice buffs. Agree with Yuritau & Jarod as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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