Level 100 Bonus - Progen

[Whitelighter]

This is the fact on this mission tree.

Its a mission, and whitelighter contrary to your perveived thoughts I dont jump to whatever you say. Missions evolve. And nowhere do I say that it will be comparable to CFB. That is your interpretation. Its not mine. These are the item IDs used as means of reward, and they will not be the eventual item ID rewarded in future.

I will not be implementing any Red Dragon or Chavez weaponry as these are enemies of the Progen Republic. I also will not be implementing Terran or Jenquai weaponry, however adversaries of Terrans or Jenquai who are not enemies of Progen may have weapons implemented. The storyline should be mantained and franky, I don't give a damn about if you already have it printed, because when it is completed the reward will be unique but tied into you being able to build high quality gear. Its a means for players to get a Print, no one says you have to like what is the print.

Eventually the prints will be of Collegia design and be a lengthly build tree of their own right. But until then you'll just have to accept it. These 'bonus' missions are exactly that. Bonus missions. They may give a bonus for people who want to do missions. Take it or leave it.

[Work Computer]

PS: Mordanite now can be mined from some of the level 1 roids in Primus Space. Ask a sentinel to get it for your warriors.

Ya know, I've come to a point where I'm just gonna take the chance. Since I came back to the EMU I've actually been one of the few that TEST and not just show up to play a game for free. I saw a potentional problem with a mission, and since we had already discussed the mission via PMs I thought I would try to HELP YOU by pointing it out.

You got all pissy in progen chat/tells in-game over it, and now in the forums also. Until now I've always spoken to you in a polite and respectful manner, it appears you are not willing to do the same so I will go into my RP mode and maybe you'll understand.

Your *Censored* mission is stupid. No-one in their right mind is going to do this mission or any like it for a damn BILE PL print that can be gotten easier and faster. If you don't want to admit the reward does not equal the work then fine, but lose the *censored* attitude. I don't expect anyone to jump and do whatever to please me, I do however expect people to be able to discuss things in a calm and intellectual manner. If you truely want to keep the storyline involved, the Archos would have been the better print.

Anymore half of you Devs/GMs believe you're some kind of GOD because you can write code. You are not God. You need to realize you need us (the common playerbase) as much as we need you. Just because you can do something I cannot does not give you the right to talk to me like I'm some peice of shit. Learn some respect and common curtesy or you'll be enjoying the work you done with a very small playerbase. In the last 2 weeks alone I've been talked to like I'm some undeserving peice of crap by a GM, and now a Dev for simply trying to help test the game and ask some questions reguarding that. If you don't want our help then take it off public test and let your BETAs do it, I think I've seen 2-3 in-game still so I'm sure they'll be enough for you (/sarcasm).

After what I've seen lately, from a certain GM, and now yourself in this post and Progen chat last night (what you were saying to myself and Magoo) I felt the need to say my thoughts on it. I'll probably be banned over it, if I am so be it. But its time someone *censored* said what a lot of people are thinking.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Dakynos
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[esoconn1]

Not exactly what my choice of words would have been, but the sentiment is there. No one enjoys being talked 'down' to unless they have some other underlying problems I don't have time to discuss here.

That being said, there are some folks that could do with a course on public relations on both sides of the issue; and the issue is far greater than these postings. I remember a post made by Tien quite a while back about things becoming 'us and them' and how he didn't want to see that happen here. Sadly, it's happening more and more, I think greatly in part because of lack of communication through open discussion. We, as Whitelighter alluded to, need each other to make this work. I could go on, but I won't. *puts psych book down*

[Quinid]

Could have sworn I saw a post earlier saying nothing on this subject is concrete. I.E what kind of item print or exact mission. So why are people complaining about something they don't even know for sure yet.

Also a few of us have done the mission. Floss obviously has, and so have I. It not that bad. Now I will admit, if u do bits of it one day n do more of it the next day, u can get confused n forget where to go. Either write the locations on paper or tell your wife. God knows she doesn't forget things.

If u easy mode progens are not happy with it, play another class. God knows the other classes need you whiners to get them up to speed.

I am sick n tired of hearing certain progens btch and moan about how they can't solo the game anymore or how they have to put effort in or can't be a jerk to other classes anymore cuz now they may need them in their party to accomplish something. Last I checked this is a MMO. Its my impression MMO's are based on teamwork.

Lastly, its the DEV's game! They can do whatever they want. It is their hobby. People don't find hobbies fun when it starts feeling too demanding. You all are starting to sound like their current/future wives!! They DON'T NEED US. They are only being generous and sharing their work. Last private server MMO I playd got shutdown due to the DEV/owner getting mad at a few whiney me me me's, and pulled the plug on the project. Id rather not go thru finding another game because of some selfish ppl who obviously doesn't look at the big picture, again.

anytime soon.

I could keep going, but I'll stop for now.

PS-- There's no time for grammar checking, 4200 more chavez need to die at my hand.

[Guest Builder / Byakhee / Growlz]

Version 4.2 doesnt award a Bile PL but this requires a Server Restart. Chill. I reccomend players who see version 4.0 they wait - as posted above. And remember, we do this in our spare time, my apologies for having a life and living in the UK and being restricted to a UK timezone. If you feel too strong about it you could always level another Progen Warrior, and then test that content, it is a stress test and eventually there will be a reset (but I don't know when).

However the above poster (Quind) is exactly right. The reward is there as an afterthought really and these bonus missions are there just to do if you want. No one has to do them, frankly. You're just upset to realise that you did the mission too early, and it was waiting on a copy over for another version.

Just remember

[Version]

Means just that. This mission tree is for Progen. The items are then restricted to the people who have done the mission. And yes, if you had waited you'd have got a lot better print. I posted here that version 4.2 was the one to wait for, and you'd not have got it if you still was locked out of the misson. Really tempted to make pre-requisite of TL 50 too. These bonus missions are under Version and can be changed at any time.

The actualy mission format is to test styles of missions, and do not need to actually reward. They are there as bonuses.

[Work Computer]

[esoconn1]

TL45 as a pre req might be a good idea. You need to obtain that just to build lvl 9 items anyway. Depends on how quickly and frequently you want the mission completed for testing and so on though. I know, from a personal standpoint, early on I avoided the bonus missions. Now I do them, for the most part, just because they are there if I believe the effort is worth the reward. Time is a commodity we all get to spend. I weigh most of my decisions based on time vs reward. That's just me though.

Thanks for what you're doing Baykhee. I hope you still enjoy doing this stuff even through all of the difficulties. Whenever people are involved, there will be problems. Mark it down. How we deal with it tells who we are. I'm glad you are able to overlook alot of the criticism.

[Guest Byakhee / Builder / Growlz]

Thats ok.

Mission content is evolving.

Trade content is evolving

Combat content is evolving

All takes time to implement, and as soon as newer tools are available that allows for a better way of doing missions, it will be done. Currently the missions are far too linear, so I am getting to the conclusion that the best thing to do is to not mention any changes and it'll be up to the player to discover anything.

Bonuses:

L50: Supply ** Not completed **

L75: Covert • (Future) • (Solo Missions - fail if grouped or other players 'see you') •

L100: Escort & Salvage & Self Build * To Change in future *

L135: Player Knowledge ** Not completed **

It could be argued that the CFB / Projectile for 100 should potentially have both L50 and L100 Hull upgrade requirements, who knows. This is the Joy with [Versions], requirements could be subject to change.

[Work Computer]

[Floss]

I guess it depends on the player. Some people enjoy the destination, others enjoy the drive.

I fall into the destination category (any game), so having a juicy reward that I can't get anywhere else makes the time investment worthwhile.

Other people, give them an interesting quest, and they are happy just doing the quest.

If you:

1) Skip game cutscenes

2) Mash escape through Bioware game chat trees just to get back to killing stuff

3) Do trade runs to level combat/explore

4) Got the WoW addon that auto-scrolled the quest chat

then the reward is probably what drives you to do a quest.

If you:

1) Replay cutscenes in the options menus

2) Replay open world games every which way to see different endings

3) Level explore by defending miners or mining

4) Read every shred of lore there was to read in the last MMO you played

then the quest itself is probably what is more important to you than the result.

Making both people happy is normally a challenge, but having a blend of quests that appeal to each type helps attract a wide player base. If it's a core quest like this one, I think addressing both groups is important. Perhaps creating a new item altogether would be a good solution, something woth the time (comparable to an Archos) but not something that should be dropping from raid bosses (Spitter).

[Guest Byakhee / Builder / Growlz]

Level 100 bonus eventually should be "Assisting the Collegia with Research and Development - Do you have the required skills"

> Look a players skill profiles

> Checks level of skills (possible) for high levels of

> Build skills

- Weapons:

- Shields:

- Reactors:

- Components:

- Devices:

- Prospect

> If not

"Sorry you have not met the requirements to help the Collegia with Research and Development"

> If yes

"You will be assigned to the correct Collegia research department. Rewards are slim. Warning, all prototype research items are the property of the Collegia and are not intended to be stolen by assistants! Research items in your possession may lead to you becoming wanted by the Progen Republic"

This is the eventual synopsis of the L100 bonus tree, are you a pirate? or are you loyal? choose your path. Its also why I say the current bonus mission is extremely basic, and why all you may obtain is Progen Gear!

[Work Computer]

[Floss]

Given the effort you're putting into this, you should create a new projectile launcher:

Growlz' Gattlin' Gun

lvl 9 projectile

(insert creative buffs and text here)

Stacks of 10,000 bullets, 0.3 fire rate.

[Guest Byakhee]

I'm thinking far more a curved ball / tangent than that obvious route.

But its why I say, just treat missions with [Versions] as in a state of flux. They will change!

Its more a case of "lets see if this will work.." combined with conversations with other developers as to 'why it currently won't work!' or 'why it probably never will work'. Anyway, versions - subject to change; player guides on guild forums should refer to the [Version] of the mission because newer ones won't be the same!

[Work Computer]

[esoconn1]

Thank you for the nsite inti what you're working on.

I was actually thinking along the same lines as Floss earlier today with the idea of an entirely new weapon. That would be fun.

[Peorth]

If the PW is getting a weapon print, why not give the PP a reactor print and leave the CFB print for the PS? Adds a little more variety.

[nimr0dbbow[IS]]

Because I'm already working on the alternative method above, and it not needed now. The sameple was just for reward purposes and the Racial Build for Progen is Shields.

[Muhir]

oh mighty one has this been updated? Is it still giving the bile pl as a reward?

[garblesoup]

my apologies for having a life and living in the UK

Finally! Someone who truly understands the need to apologize for being British!

j/k, trying to lighten up the thread a bit

(and still quietly voicing that awarding *only* blueprints to a warrior class is not right, but still appreciating the ongoing efforts that Byakhee puts into the Progen missions)

[nimr0dbbow[IS]]

(and still quietly voicing that awarding *only* blueprints to a warrior class is not right, but still appreciating the ongoing efforts that Byakhee puts into the Progen missions)

Warrior Class is currently getting weapon blueprint

Sentinel and Privateer is currently getting shield blueprint

- Hey you never know, these may change over time to a level 9 beam... (yes if you want to build it only our racial enemies could equip it!).

- Builds are subject to change

- This missions is telepathically speaking to me "change me when you can script missions" and I agree.

[pull4rise]

very nice one byakee i got brimstone ballista print but can u give us a clue where to get the ammo so when can make it??

[Zap]

This whole idea of not making CFB not available for the terran trader is Bullshit man(progen only),

And quest only for ps/pp.

Yeah it is a progen shield.

TT's make that shield for the cheapest price out there due to negotiate.

means cheaper components, means cheaper shield.

So are u now gonna make it so all Devices that are for TT only are gonna be made by TT Only??????

There is a reason why TT could make everything makable in live.only thing TT's could not make was reactors.

Phey, keep changing what was good in live.

Way to go to make it as close to Live as possible.

**people want this, people want that**

[nimr0dbbow[IS]]

Refer to Progen Forum.

The Print is a reward for trying out different styles of missions. These rewards will not be here once the item(s) start to drop. In fact, I bet the missions as they currently are won't also be like they are too! That is a promise, and potentially you will also have to have a build skill to match the reward.

[No longer replying to General Posts. What little replies will be via updated posts on Progen Forum. Progen missions are subject to change]

Anything about the item/s itself is outside my area, and if there has been a change then its probably for a reason. Also, the Privateer gets the Negociate skill to allow them to build items cheaply too.