Level 100 Bonus - Progen

[Guest Byakhee]

** Update **

CFB will not be given as an item.

The Shield Print will be (currently) given for PP / PS.

A Weapon Print will be given for PW.

GMs should not reimburse players wanting their items, as if they advance their build trees they will be able to build the item. This is a heads up warning from Progen Developer [builder] on behalf of Byakhee. The reward will eventually be for those building items. On the plus side you get it printed. On the minus side you're gonna have to get build weapons or shields to maximum in order to benefit from it. The CFB is highly unlikely to be a reward for this mission in 6 months time....

[Work Computer]

[Floss]

Weapon print = something neat that isn't already in the game? (Archos/Bile/Longbow drop like candy).

[Guest Builder / Byakhee / Growlz]

I'm not giving anything away here, and no it won't be too uber. Lets call this the I wonder if mission bonus. Who knows, it may evolve like all my other missions. I do not envisage anything current (or from live) in the game to become the reward, eventually.

[Work Computer]

* Currently arguing with Growlz on the feasability of doing a mission tree based on Self-Destruct skill...

[Giest310]

** Update **

CFB will not be given as an item.

The Shield Print will be (currently) given for PP / PS.

A Weapon Print will be given for PW.

GMs should not reimburse players wanting their items, as if they advance their build trees they will be able to build the item. This is a heads up warning from Progen Developer [builder] on behalf of Byakhee. The reward will eventually be for those building items. On the plus side you get it printed. On the minus side you're gonna have to get build weapons or shields to maximum in order to benefit from it. The CFB is highly unlikely to be a reward for this mission in 6 months time....

[Work Computer]

I like it. as long as it is a weapon that i can use , archos would be nice too, ps need the ammo print /map or at least a good amount of samples, wouldn't be cool if you could build the weapon but never fire it.

like a jed-i builds his own light saber a PW would build his own weapon too.

[Whitelighter]

I like it. Just hopefully its something a little better than Archos/Biles as those drop constantly (right now).

GMs should not reimburse players wanting their items

The reward will eventually be for those building items.

Am I reading this wrong or does this mean GMs (for now) should reimburse players that didn't get the CFB reward as these changes haven't went into effect yet?

[garblesoup]

As you continue to develop these missions it would be nice if you would consider providing the player with an option to get a print OR get an item (and they needn't be for the same item). Some of us are building our players without the Build skill so this change will make the mission bonus worthless.

[fuulishone]

It's a lvl 100 hull bonus mission, why would you be getting a print for a lvl 9 proj when PP/PS get a lvl 8 shield? Silly progen.

Seriously tho, WTB this type of mission writing for Jenqs and Terrans.

[Trapt]

Will there be a way for someone that has compeleted the mission and or paid for the 100HU mission to go back and complete the mission?

[Guest Byakhee / Builder / Growlz]

No.

What I am saying is that on the play server the mission has updated to be this way.

So you do not get the item. It was intended to be this way from the start. If you want I will confirm by logging in my developer account later to post. The reward was intended for people developing their builds anyway, and this is the best reward for the game. Progen missions are continually expanding and the reward should not be retrospectively applied. Always check the [Version] of the mission. The [Version] may change in which case the mission now will be that [Version].

Sorry, but what is in game at this stage is what is tested. The reward is intended to be a reward for Progens that do the mission tree, and then reward those who increase their build skills. So no, the shield will not be available as a item reward. However, the CFB is unlikely to be available in future. So as from now, it should not be given out as any part of quest reward. There should be plenty of use of the Market Channel now. Those Terran Traders lucky to get their hands on the CFB to print now will find the Privateers who advance their skills overcoming InfinitiCorp's waning hold on the shield building market!

Progen Missions for Progen Characters!

[Work Computer]

[GenghisBob]

Putting it bluntly, that pretty much sucks!!! I always have a PW as my main character. This is the first time I did not have him level up his build skills.

Now, it seems imperative, in someones opinion, that build skills has to be a PW "main skill". I didn't want to BUILD with my PW this time. Why am I being forced to?

I enjoy all of the hull upgrade missions. I am not one of those whinners that run around, "it was too hard", "it was too long", "I had to kill something three combat levels higher than me, and there were 2 of them". However, I would like to see a reward that suits the mission. A hard mission, a good reward. Why would you make a reward that can only be used by a player if they leveled one certain skill the way 'someone else' felt you should level your character.

It does make sense to give projectiles to Projens and missiles to Terrans, which you could say is forcing them to level certain skills, but these are skills related to that race. But to force a warrior class to become "Master Builders" seems like our character development is being controlled by someone else.

When Terran Traders level 'Trade' (which is not all that easy for a PW), they can become "Master Builders" in up to 5 different categories. This is usually why a person chooses to be a Terran Trader. Warriors will now have to level 'Trade' so they can level Build Weapons ONLY, so that they can make use of ONE (1) MISSION REWARD!!!! The one and only, biggest, most uber mission reward for a Progen.

[kahkarot]

So let me get this right,as i understand it now the PS and PP who complete the Bonus Mission will get the CFB print so they can build it if/when they have the skill for it and the PW will get a Weapon print.

That is a very good idea as it stops "cough" peeps getting the CFB then trading it over to a TT to print and also negates the chance of a Failure to print it for a PP & PS

Nice 1 mate i like it

Kahk

P.S. if this is wrong DOHH!!!!

[kahkarot]

Genghis no offence mate but the whole idea behind it as i see it is if you want the Print you do the Build skills and mission if you don't want to do that then don't do Build skills simple as that.

Kahk

[fuulishone]

Getting all upset over a print you have don't even know about yet is rather silly. Once the print becomes known and it's details get published, THEN you can argue about it. As of now, whether you get an actual mappable item (such as the CFB or some weapon) or not doesn't matter. You weren't going to map it anyway, so you'd end up selling it, or giving it away to a builder (say a nasty Terran). You didn't miss out.

In the future, it just means you need to find a friendly Progen to build it for you and not some money grubbing Terran. Now... if it turns out that this item is no-trade, and therefore requires you to have a build skill in order to take advantage of it, then that's the time to complain about it.

To put it into some perspective... Be happy that you have a content developer that's putting in such an interesting level 100 HU mission line. As a Jenq, there's no such mission line at all, and basically there's nothing new to obtain except for the level 30 reactor. We don't have some uber level 8 shield to get (since our good drops aren't in the game yet) so we get to use Barrier of Slime until such time as we can obtain a Bastion or Skull shield (yeah right....) We don't get some grand reactor at OL100 either (which would at least make sense in the racial lines) and instead we need to continue using drop reactors that have been around since before time began.

Be happy that you have an active content developer that makes interesting and challenging missions.

[Guest Byakhee / Growlz / Builder]

Guys,

All the missions from Level 50 are new to the game in this emulator. This is why they are Versions. You shoudn't take a mission with a [Version] as being set in stone. It has been made clear countless times in the Progen Chat Channel and the Progen part of the forum that missions will change and are subject to change. This mission eventually will go down a path where your choice of mission type will determine the reward - and its just heads up if you are unable to do the self supply for the builds of your class then you are unlikely to obtain the print.

The only reason why the CFB was put in as a reward was to tempt people testing the mission and people wanted it in game. However, this way it encorages people to advance build skills that may be needed for other missions.

No complaints here will change my mind. As tools increase to put in missions that reward people for doing stuff, then the missions will become more varied and interesting. So keep viewing the [Version], the content is being put in to challenge people yes, but with suitable rewards later on.

The intent around the Hull Missions are:

50: Supply

75: Covert

100: Rebuilding / Self Building / Escorting

135: Your and player knowledge of the game

So if you are unable to self build then the level 100 bonuses on the build route are unlikely to appeal to you. I've waited 2 years for the tools to become available to do the mission as intended; the reward is there for those who want to build.

[VonBon]

sounds good Byakhee

[Guest Byakhee / Growlz / Builder]

To recap:

CFB is buildable by PS and PP maxing their shield builds after this mission they will Automatically get it in their build list.

PW: Cannot build shields so an automatic build for a Projectile Progen weapon was given them in their build lists (at max)

Both items are tradable once built.

In future this mission will NOT give either the CFB or the Projectile Progen only Weapon. It is likely to support further build content of my own design. (But then again in future the CFB should drop from the Mordana). [Versions] are subject to change. Keeps you on your toes.

[Work Computer]

[pull4rise]

all i can say is YA....good choice....i rather have alot of pses or pps to be able to build cfbs then getting a 100% one from a mission to have it either sold or rebuild.

[GenghisBob]

Genghis no offence mate but the whole idea behind it as i see it is if you want the Print you do the Build skills and mission if you don't want to do that then don't do Build skills simple as that.

Kahk

The post is about the level 100 Progen Hull Upgrade mission. I want to do the level 100 Progen Hull Upgrade mission. If you don't do all the hull upgrade missions, you can't do the next hull upgrade mission. It's only 'optional' if you want to do NONE of the hull upgrade missions in the future.

[irrelevant]

To recap:

CFB is buildable by PS and PP maxing their shield builds after this mission they will Automatically get it in their build list.

PW: Cannot build shields so an automatic build for a Projectile Progen weapon was given them in their build lists (at max)

Both items are tradable once built.

In future this mission will NOT give either the CFB or the Projectile Progen only Weapon. It is likely to support further build content of my own design. (But then again in future the CFB should drop from the Mordana). [Versions] are subject to change. Keeps you on your toes.

[Work Computer]

Much appreciated.. hehe hopefully I can save enough skill points to level my build skills. Stuck on device build 3 and shield build 2 due to lack of SPs at lvl 78.

[GenghisBob]

Getting all upset over a print you have don't even know about yet is rather silly. Once the print becomes known and it's details get published, THEN you can argue about it. As of now, whether you get an actual mappable item (such as the CFB or some weapon) or not doesn't matter. You weren't going to map it anyway, so you'd end up selling it, or giving it away to a builder (say a nasty Terran). You didn't miss out.

How can the difference between getting a print or an item not matter? If you don't have build skills, you can't you any 'print' (whether I know right now what it is or not), but I can use an 'item'.

Why couldn't I just USE the CFB. It is 'usable' isn't it?<br><br>If the server was up, I wouldn't have time to make this many posts.  It's not my fault.... :-(<br>

[pull4rise]

How can the difference between getting a print or an item not matter? If you don't have build skills, you can't you any 'print' (whether I know right now what it is or not), but I can use an 'item'.

Why couldn't I just USE the CFB. It is 'usable' isn't it?

so basicly ur saying u prefer a 100% cfb gotten from a quest over a pm one?????eventho the build ur getting might be usefull for when ur higher to do ur builds...which u well end up to maxing unless u wanna be depended on other ppl to make ur ammo all the time or use vendorsold ammo.

[Terrell [BT]]

** Update **

CFB will not be given as an item.

The Shield Print will be (currently) given for PP / PS.

A Weapon Print will be given for PW.

GMs should not reimburse players wanting their items, as if they advance their build trees they will be able to build the item. This is a heads up warning from Progen Developer [builder] on behalf of Byakhee. The reward will eventually be for those building items. On the plus side you get it printed. On the minus side you're gonna have to get build weapons or shields to maximum in order to benefit from it. The CFB is highly unlikely to be a reward for this mission in 6 months time....

[Work Computer]

*Bows to Devs*

Great idea, love it. My PT will be happy if I ever get her to 100.

[kahkarot]

Well i for 1 like the idea and fully back it.well done imo.

Kahk

[GenghisBob]

so basicly ur saying u prefer a 100% cfb gotten from a quest over a pm one?????eventho the build ur getting might be usefull for when ur higher to do ur builds...which u well end up to maxing unless u wanna be depended on other ppl to make ur ammo all the time or use vendorsold ammo.

That isn't the question that I was answering. I would like the idea IF I HAD LEVELED WEAPON BUILD. I mentioned that this is the first I have had a PW that did not have build skill. If This was not a surprise after reaching OL 120, it would be different.

If the server would come back up, I would have something to do other then complain on the forums, when we all know it won't make any difference. :-)

[garblesoup]

I do appreciate the amount of time/effort that Byakhee clearly puts into these things. I just wish to reiterate that it's disappointing that the mission bonus will now *only* reward builders. At some point in the future (recognizing that Byakhee continues to update these missions) I really would like to see an option put in place in the mission that allowed the non-builder to receive something as well (and I'm *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* saying it should be the CFB - just something that, for a PW anyway, would be a good item to get). So - builder, take the print - non-builder, get an item.