potential abuse of powers

[wolfxsf]

I am reporting player potentially using GM's to abuse their powers for his advantage.   I went on a FB raid with Keese and company.  I informed him I would join the raid but I wanted to have a chance to roll on the level 9 Invincible Bastion if it dropped.  Indeed it did drop and Keese looted it instead of offering a roll.  He said he was going to get a GM to transfer it to another player he knew who needed it.  This is pure BS if it happens.  If the item is non tradeable then he is STUCK with it if he takes it.  He knew what he was doing when he looted it.  I hope GM's aren't using their powers to help screw other players!!!!!!  IMHO if he can get a GM to give it to another player then I should be able to get a GM to give me the one I should have had a chance at.  Neither is right!!!!!   But if one is right then BOTH are.  So if any of the GM's have done this then it MUST stop since it is being used abusively to cheat other players.  And I will not be doing another raid with him.  2x I have done a FB and have received NOTHING for helping.  One of the times a guildie of mine was also there and got nothing.  No ammo comps, no items..NOTHING...So it rubs even more raw if GM's are helping this lying cheating scamming player.

 

 

Edited May 28 by wolfxsf
added more content. Don't need to make this a topic. I guess it should have been a ticket.

[Codemonkeyx]

Sorry to hear this happened Wolf. Keese/Meoff is a known repeat offender and quite frankly most people just have him on ignore.

 

1 hour ago, wolfxsf said:

lying cheating scamming player

 

That pretty much sums it up.

 

If you are interested in raiding with an actual guild that has fair loot distribution check us out at:

 

https://epicgamers.guildlaunch.com

[YellowBird]

This is the first time i have heard of this particular incidence

let me know and include picture's and chat logs when you report it to me,

 

If Keese/Meoff Et al reads this please when you loot something and need to give it to another player do a GM Ticket and submit it asap  so we GM's can to the transfer.

 

This is one my  (Woodstock HGM)'s alternate Play (non GM account) .

Edited May 28 by YellowBird

[Meoff]

Mike, 

 

What the actual fucking fuck?

 

You are literally joking right?

 

We didn't even need you there, was just being curtious to bring you. 

 

You can give me back the mutiple Dung Flingers I have given you, not to mention all the Mars construction ores 

 

Yes I accidently looted the bastian then gave it to Merv after the fact, because he didn't get anything. 

 

You failed to mentioned we gave you a 125% FOTM.

 

You fall down and hit your head?

 

This is the second time you tried to pull some bullshit with me, will not be a third. 

 

Thanks,

 

J

 

 

[Nimitz]

I was in this raid and that was not how this went down.  We went in with the sole purpose to get Merv a bastion.   Meoff was trying to float it and he was lagging and looted by accident.   We brought wolf for the hell of it. He wasn't needed at all and only wanted a fury of the master and he got it.  A 125% by the way.  Matter of fact this raid he speaks of was weeks ago why is he just now saying something?  Seems alittle fishy

[wolfxsf]

I did not want an FOTM and as a matter of fact I trashed a 110% FOTM just to upgrade since noone else wanted it.  And as far as a dung flinger...none of my characters still have one.   JD7 is the only one you gave a finger.  And you didn't GIVE it to him.  We did a raid and he rolled and WON it fairly after helping.   I specifically told you Keese prior to the FB raid I would help for a roll chance on that Bastion. That's fine.  GM's are wrong in transferring it.   You should be stuck with it.  I won't raid with you again.  Had to kick you off our discord since you continually came in drunk and very rude.  Bring up ores to me Keese and I can mention giving you comps and COMPLETE ONI devices and more also.  You're going to do what you want and that is fine.  I'll do what I want and that is also fine.  And that is the 2nd FB raid without getting anything from them.  JD7 was in the first one and can also attest he received NO loot for helping.   

Nimitz, I was ASKED by Keese to come because he said they needed one more.  Don't act like I came out of pity for me.   Was skeptical even going after the first FB experience and did not get disappointed, went just as typical.  I would have been just as happy doing my own thing...which I will from this point on

 

[wolfxsf]

6 hours ago, Nimitz said:

I  We went in with the sole purpose to get Merv a bastion.   Meoff was trying to float it and he was lagging and looted by accident.    

 

And to quote Meoff:  

"Yes I accidently looted the bastian then gave it to Merv after the fact, because he didn't get anything." 

 

Able to do everything else without lag and yet this one was an "accident" when already stated that was your full intention.  SOLELY to go in and loot a Bastion for Merv.

[Meoff]

Mike,

 

Cryless or crymore your choice wasn't my trigger, wasn't my rules.

 

I can't give you comps from someone else's trigger. 

 

And, yes I have given you Flingers.

 

If I give you a Face of the Tengu, will you shut the fuck up leave me alone, we didn't need more. I tired to bridge a gap you burnt with me by inviting you. 

 

See me in game and I'll give you a FACE, you a Epic Flamers can go get you a lousy fucking bastian. 

 

Done with this.

 

1st FB other was a lousy gate raid. I really suggest joing Epic Flamers you'll fit right in with your shitty ass attitude. 

 

@ Woody lock this.

 

Thanks,

 

J

[garblesoup]

Whoa, flashback to Live, reading the forums about the goings-on over in Andromeda, LOL.

[Codemonkeyx]

It's truly a mystery how Meoff hasn't been permanently banned for his blatant disregard for rules and plain old decency. Name calling, ninja looting, interfering with other people's raids, scamming, trolling, cursing in public channels and the forums, disrespecting GMs, and just generally being obnoxious. I wonder how many people he's driven away from the game? I've witnessed an endless stream of this behavior since basically my first day in game. When will it finally be enough?

[Nimitz]

Speaking of interfering with raids.  There was an epic gamer setting in our GOBB raid yesterday doing the very thing you accused Meoff of doing.  I've only ever seen this guy help other people and I've been here for a while.  Like you said most people have him on ignore so why let it bother you?  I just witnessed one of your own guildies curse in New Player Chat yesterday morning.  Why is it ok for your guild to do that then you try to call out someone else?

[Codemonkeyx]

Logging one character in to check if a trigger mob is up is NOT "interfering with a raid". He also promptly logged out again. Meoff brings an entire six pack in, shoots at mobs, loots corpses, etc. etc. He has blatantly attacked trigger mobs while other guilds are preparing to do a raid to the point that Woody has had to kick his characters offline. You have no idea what you're talking about and you have no idea the kind of guild you've joined, but I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually.

 

Everyone slips up from time to time and I'm not saying we crucify someone for cursing once in New Player, but Meoff shows a total disregard for anyone and everything. He's dropped four f-bombs in this thread alone. This thread is officially R-rated! I'm not even saying I agree with the rules, but I know what they are, and I follow them. I encourage my guild members to do the same, but I'm also not in charge of enforcing the rules.

Edited May 31 by Codemonkeyx

[Nimitz]

He waited for 10 minutes try again.  And if everyone slips up from time to time then meoff is also allowed. If you're not InCharge of enforcing the rules, then stop trying to get people banned from the game here.  Play the game just like everyone else.  If you don't like the guy ignore him and move along you seemed obsessed with him.  That being said the guys I play with here daily are decent people.  I'm these raids daily so yes, I know what I'm talking about, and I've been playing on here for a while now.  I've had your guidies message me directly asking why I'm in the guild.  It's none of their concern why I'm in this guild the amount of energy you guys choose to spend on this is beyond belief.  

[Meoff]

Code,

 

You staink of jealousy keep my name out of your mouth. 

 

Also your a complete fucking liar.  

 

Thanks,

 

J

 

 

[Codemonkeyx]

*stink (or maybe you meant stank, hard to say)

 

*you're

Edited May 31 by Codemonkeyx

[Nimitz]

5 minutes ago, Codemonkeyx said:

*stink (or maybe you meant stank, hard to say)

 

*you're

Yes, this confirms you're just as bad as you claim he is.

[wolfxsf]

What I have found interesting in this thread is Code is getting his Guild attacked and members of it.  Not once did he call your guild out by name.  It was individuals addressing individual behavior.  But you're sure quick to throw out his Guild by name.   And attack everyone in his guild of being guilty of bad behavior.   

My gripe was about GM's abusing their powers by trading non tradeable items for players who are being unfair to other players.

 

Meoff, I don't want your Face, I have my own, along with almost every other trigger in the game.   Honestly, from the 2 raids in Cooper, how many ammo comps did me or JD get?  0  How many weapon comps? 0    Those should have been divided up equally to all participants in the raid.  Along with all the other loot that you kept.  You've mentioned one thing that I have received out of those 2 raids other than the FOTM (which I did NOT need).  Ok, call it me burning the gap with you but it was you coming on MY SQUAD'S private discord channel, being rude, trying to tell me what to do, how you wanted me to play, etc. to the point I told you to leave.  It is you that has initiated the issues we have.   And if the GM's are supporting your methods by trading "nontradeable" items for you.   The GM's are WRONG.  And you say it wasn't your trigger so no comps?  Every GOOD raid I have been on the trigger holder gets to choose one item if it drops.  Everything else is usually rolled for, auctioned, divided up or agreed upon by all.  This compensates for the participants time, ammo, skills, etc..    Just saying

 

 

[Mcbanned]

I wonder how many people he has helped get gear and build things to give away I know of some flingers and hellfire's. lots of things just handed out. And how brave of you all to sit behind your keyboard and monitor and call someone out. with out knowing the whole story.

 

This was my Trigger I asked for the shield so that should have been it. And why is this happening 2 weeks after the raid was long gone and Woody Fixed the mistake for me. 

[Nimitz]

51 minutes ago, wolfxsf said:

What I have found interesting in this thread is Code is getting his Guild attacked and members of it.  Not once did he call your guild out by name.  It was individuals addressing individual behavior.  But you're sure quick to throw out his Guild by name.   And attack everyone in his guild of being guilty of bad behavior.   

My gripe was about GM's abusing their powers by trading non tradeable items for players who are being unfair to other players.

 

Meoff, I don't want your Face, I have my own, along with almost every other trigger in the game.   Honestly, from the 2 raids in Cooper, how many ammo comps did me or JD get?  0  How many weapon comps? 0    Those should have been divided up equally to all participants in the raid.  Along with all the other loot that you kept.  You've mentioned one thing that I have received out of those 2 raids other than the FOTM (which I did NOT need).  Ok, call it me burning the gap with you but it was you coming on MY SQUAD'S private discord channel, being rude, trying to tell me what to do, how you wanted me to play, etc. to the point I told you to leave.  It is you that has initiated the issues we have.   And if the GM's are supporting your methods by trading "nontradeable" items for you.   The GM's are WRONG.  And you say it wasn't your trigger so no comps?  Every GOOD raid I have been on the trigger holder gets to choose one item if it drops.  Everything else is usually rolled for, auctioned, divided up or agreed upon by all.  This compensates for the participants time, ammo, skills, etc..    Just saying

 

 

The Trigger came from Merv who got the bastion.  You just defeated your own argument by saying the trigger holder gets 1 item.  He got the item he used the trigger for.  You got a 125 FOTM.    If you read the thread Code Called out me for being in Stark and said and I quote " You have no idea what you're talking about and you have no idea the kind of guild you've joined, but I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually."    It was being Spaced and he wasn't able to warp and he looted it.  It was moved to who it was supposed to go to.  

[Kyp [LDEV]]

I'm going to break this down since there's a suggestion of an abuse of power.

An Abuse of power would be like something we had back in the beta days, where a GM created a ton of loot for someone they were friends with, with no risk/events run to earn it. Or like a past dev we had that created an absolute shitton of mineable asteroids in a location that wasn't easy to find if you didn't know about it. We discovered this after the sheer number of roids caused it to impact the sector's performance. That became apparent from the logs, and that person was removed, which led to us adding a tag when a GM creates an item that we can see, which will tell us if they're doing bad things or creating a lot of items.

A GM deciding to transfer a piece of loot is reasonable to me as long as they've heard everyone's side involved first. They call them game masters for a reason. They are allowed to do anything except directly abuse players/break the code of conduct, shut down the game server, or run dev-level commands that are beyond them. I would also note that this isn't just something we would generally do because a player requested it, and this person is no different, presumably. It also leaves a trail as above, so I would be able to trace a pattern if I had to.

This being said, you all have the option to ignore each other if the dislike is that intense; this shouldn't require a staff intervention in terms of banning someone based on what I'm seeing here. Still, I would also point out that we keep notes on folks' accounts when things are reported, so we can get an accurate idea of what people are doing and whether they deserve it. 

Since it's such a relatively small community and no one pays subs or gets paid (on the 'staff' side), we give quite a lot more leeway when it comes to basic infractions. For someone to be banned, they must have a serious history, and even then, it's usually a temporary ban; we don't permanently ban anyone without a compelling reason.

Lot of words short to say, if someone wants to explain to me why the GM giving loot was an abuse, then i'm happy to hear it, but I can only read so much of this thread cause it's mostly attacks against each other and I'm not going to crawl back to ancient logs (2+ weeks) to try to figure out who's being untruthful and who isn't. If someone has gathered the trigger, for the most part, I would agree that they should get the say on where the loot goes. 

For a situation where things have been agreed upon up front and by all attendees, if you feel like some ninja looting went down, then you can try to handle it among yourselves or open a ticket where we can look into it. I would warn you that, because staff time is limited, this option may mean a wait and not instant service.

I would also warn several of you reading this thread that you need to be sure you're familiar with the rules, as these forums still qualify to be under them. You can communicate somewhat like adults, I'm sure.

[wolfxsf]

I still disagree Kyp.  Items marked untradeable should be that or take that tag off all untradeable items.   I see the GM's favor certain players and are willing to make concessions  not made for others.  Once you start this trend then be ready to treat all players the same.   Now I know that I can get a GM to transfer untradeable just because or it will be more proof that GM's ARE in fact abusing the power entrusted to them.  Yes, back in the day when players were building toons then getting them wiped, and then building and wiping, while the game was being developed, GM's would create items to give away to help players.  Run contests to let players WIN the items.  We did it back then to help players knowing it was temporary.  All of those "giveaways" stopped once the game development needed no more wipes.  IMHO, now that the game is stable it should be played as designed, I.E., untradeable are that.   The only time GM's should intervene is to REPLACE an item lost due to a game issue not on a player or dev whim.  It's your game Kyp, but in this case it should be a hard rule for all.  Next time I "accidentally"  pick up an item I will make sure to get a GM to transfer it.  

  IMHO, anyone who provides a trigger with no intention of sharing dropped loot with all raiders is a selfish POS.  AND I made it clear before I joined my whole purpose for agreeing to go was to roll for that bastion.  NP now though.  I know where the GM's and devs stand although this is where we have to agree to disagree.  

  Normally you will hear very little of me except to help in game.  I'm not a game trouble maker.  I've been in the emulator pretty much from the beginning.  I did leave for about 4-5 years though when I was an GM and some politics got involved and someone opened another server and I was getting caught in the middle.  So I left both completely until the dust settled.  I have been back and nothing but supportive of the game and the players.  So I guess now for wanting FAIRNESS in the game I am now wrong and the bad guy.  And repeat offenders and malcontents are the good guys now.  OK..  I'll accept that.  

[wolfxsf]

I do agree with closing this thread.  I understand your position now and that of the other side of the argument and you have heard my side of the issue.  Oh well.

[Kyp [LDEV]]

I'll only say that characterization of what I'm saying is different than what I mean. Do you have evidence that something like that happened, or are you just stating it because of the way something worked out? All i've done so far is read this thread, and it looks like an allegation, and a fight over some loot. Something we should all be familiar with from the live game and from other games.

My anecdotal references were to blatant and OBVIOUS abuse of power once it was uncovered. Every time a GM creates an item, it's tagged. Every time they utilize their powers to do something a normal player cannot do, it's also tagged. Given that Woody has been HGM as long as he has, and he's practically the only game master, it gives me pause on considering this likely.

I'm willing to accept something and look into it, as I always have been. That said, time is more precious now than when I was in college and my only worries were studying, so having my chain yanked and having to spend that kinda time to track something down and find nothing is probably going to annoy me a little. Suppose you feel sure that something is going on and have something besides vinegar for each other, PM me. Please don't make me waste time on squabbles.

[RedKite [CDEV]]

Pass me the details in a private message & I will investigate further...